Sad PS: I got distracted and never ordered those steelies. (I tend to write my columns late at night.)
I should get them.
The wheel seems so simple. It’s round. It rolls places.
Yet it still remains oh so complicated, especially when you bring cars into the mix: materials, sizes, offsets, designs, finishes, colors, load ratings and center bores.
And we still haven’t mentioned bolt patterns. No, those wheels for an old Alfa Romeo won’t fit on your Miata. I know, it’s just a few millimeters off. No, you shouldn’t open up the lug holes with a die grinder. Please, stop.
Yet many of us, myself included, are enamored by them. We crave the lightest. We lust after ones not sold stateside. We anguish over colors when given the choice. Anthracite or charcoal? Bronze or dark gold? Matte or brushed? Wait, I can get just the lips polished?
Back in the day, it was simple: You couldn’t afford anything cool. Or at least I couldn’t.
A 15x7-inch alloy cost about $250 each. Even with my employee discount, I wasn’t a customer.
But then I got the call from a dude at another shop. Steve. Mike. Chip? Whatever the name, long lost to the years, he had something for me: Dude, used alloys that will fit your car–and cheap.
Didn’t matter what they looked like. Didn’t matter if, by today’s standards, they were pretty ugly: six twisted spokes, three polished, three black. Not Momo, not Panasport. Maybe Prime. Or Ultra.
But I had some aftermarket wheels. And with them, I did the only proper thing at the time: wrapped them with takeoff race tires–Yokohama A008, the go-to tire back then in the early ’90s–and took my Sentra SE-R autocrossing.
No idea where those wheels are today. I know they made the move with me down to Florida. I think I remember seeing them behind J.G.’s place, but that was like three houses ago. Maybe they’re still there.
But kinda like my first BMX bike–an all-steel affair with no pedigree–I have no desire to find those wheels. They were merely the gateway drug.
Today, I admit, I’m into wheels–bikes, too, but that’s another story. (It’s totally normal to have a stash of Tuff Wheels, right?) Every few years I’ll perform a mini purge–maybe let an extra set go here or there. But not the good stuff, of course. Those are up in the attic.
I admit to owning more than one set for cars I no longer own. In fact, I might have even purchased a set after selling the car they perfectly pair with. (And no, sorry, those Mugens aren’t for sale.)
The past few weeks have involved much wheel and tire research. A healthy chunk of it was for this issue’s wheel story, but then add in all of the other stuff we deal with, like project cars and tire tests–and I’m talking about GRM as well as our sister title, Classic Motorsports.
And sometimes you have to research a potential story only to realize that no, it’s not going to work. Editorial idea scrubbed before it’s even put on the calendar.
So, what do you want to discuss? The challenges of fitting wheels and tires on a second-gen Toyota MR2? The new max street tires coming from Michelin and Goodyear? Retro rubber like the Yokohama A008P and Michelin SX MXX3? How I (finally) cleaned the whitewalls on my Catalina Safari?
Poor Woody at Tire Rack, who answers all my questions with enthusiasm and courtesy–even when it gets to the point where my subject line says “I don’t have any tire or wheel questions today,” only to be followed by “Wait, I do have a tire question.”
The culmination of all this might have taken place the other night: a dream involving tires and wheels. And not just about the subject, but a really deep dive–and a dream with a final answer: Yes, I should put slot mags and those reissued Michelin XWX tires on my FIA-bodied Factory Five Cobra.
Such detail, I know. And I admit, although I grew up lusting for a 427 Cobra, I eventually realized that the narrow-bodied car wearing the tacked-on flares was the true jewel. But no, I don’t have one.
The beautiful thing about all of this is that it doesn’t have to always be logical. As gearheads, most of us realize that the lightest wheel will be the fastest wheel–assuming that the wheel is up for the rigors of competition, of course. We’ve done the test. We have the data.
I believe that we also need to follow what makes us smile, even if the math takes a back seat. So yes, I might have to order those custom steelies for my M3, even if I haven’t yet installed the new lightweight alloys currently sitting beside it.
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Sad PS: I got distracted and never ordered those steelies. (I tend to write my columns late at night.)
I should get them.
But if anyone wants to talk wheels some more, LMK. 
The last two weeks, we have been cleaning up/cleaning out the garage. Some wheels went up into the attic while some came down so they can go back into service. Yes, the TE37s are legit. Old but real.
What are those to the left of the TE37s? They're all sorts of neogothic steampunk in the best sort of way.
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:What are those to the left of the TE37s? They're all sorts of neogothic steampunk in the best sort of way.
Mugen. You usually find them in 1G CRXs.
Probably worth a pretty penny too.
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:What are those to the left of the TE37s? They're all sorts of neogothic steampunk in the best sort of way.
Mugen CF48, at one time the go-to wheel for torsion bar Honda Civics and CRXs.
The first gen CRX guys will only accept the CF48. It's like a religion. And yes, they're worth quite a bit to those guys.
And I have a set of Alfa wheels and the wobble bolts to make them fit a Miata ;)
Keith Tanner said:The first gen CRX guys will only accept the CF48. It's like a religion. And yes, they're worth quite a bit to those guys.
And I have a set of Alfa wheels and the wobble bolts to make them fit a Miata ;)
All you need now is to buy those Mugen wheels from David and sell the Ronals to a VW guy! :p
Tell me more about the steelies you're still going to get for the e46 
In this 1987 video of Autocrossing with Dick Turner you can see a Mugen Integra and a Mugen CRX starting at about the 30 second mark.
Slippery (Forum Supporter) said:Keith Tanner said:The first gen CRX guys will only accept the CF48. It's like a religion. And yes, they're worth quite a bit to those guys.
And I have a set of Alfa wheels and the wobble bolts to make them fit a Miata ;)
All you need now is to buy those Mugen wheels from David and sell the Ronals to a VW guy! :p
That's why my Ronals stand out so much! VW people never think about the Mugens, and CRX guys would never think of a German Ronal. It's funny, there's just no room for cross-pollination. The fashions are set.
In reply to bluej (Forum Supporter) :
I was surprised not to see Apex wheels on the M3. :)
You want steelies on your BMW? Here are steelies.
Owner of this also owns an FM-built CA legal LS3 Miata that's just peeking in front of the clownshoe.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Are those Corsa Steelies? Maybe? I'm still thinking about it.
David S. Wallens said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
Are those Corsa Steelies? Maybe? I'm still thinking about it.
They are not. They're OEM winter steelies that have been re-barreled by Stockton Wheel.
They were originally 17x7s, now 17x9 ET31F/ET0R
Keith Tanner said:David S. Wallens said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
Are those Corsa Steelies? Maybe? I'm still thinking about it.
They are not. They're OEM winter steelies that have been re-barreled by Stockton Wheel.
They were originally 17x7s, now 17x9 ET31F/ET0R
Hmmm. Any idea what that costs? (Guess I could just look it up, right?) Cool look.
David S. Wallens said:Keith Tanner said:David S. Wallens said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
Are those Corsa Steelies? Maybe? I'm still thinking about it.
They are not. They're OEM winter steelies that have been re-barreled by Stockton Wheel.
They were originally 17x7s, now 17x9 ET31F/ET0R
Hmmm. Any idea what that costs? (Guess I could just look it up, right?) Cool look.
He bought them already modified IIRC. But Stockton Wheel would be the place to ask for sure.
Once you start considering re-barreling wheels, options get really interesting.
I see they have a request form for custom work. Sounds reasonable. I just dig the look of steelies. Will they make the car faster? Nope. But they look cool.
(Also, do we mention that Keith and I have been chatting all day via e-mail, too? )
I agree about wheels sometimes being a "heart of head" issue sometimes. My R53 has RPF1s's on it, but it's definitely not a design I'm in love with - but holy hell they're light. But they came with the car (along with a set of OEM alloy wheels for winter use). But if I ever decide to ignore how light they are and just go for looks, I'll order a set of 16" Panasports. Which may happen if I decide to get a set of dedicated full-on STX wheels for the car, which would be 17x9 949 wheels and 245 tires - that would work for autocross but would be totally impractical on the street.
I kind of like the idea of re-barreling wheels for the Triumphs. What would be awesome would be to make them 14" as well... Hmm...
Another side conversation that I have had with myself: not all "banana-spoke" wheels (Panasport, Watanabe, Rota RB, Black Racing, Minilite, etc.) are created equal. Some look better than others. Sometimes it's a matter of brand, size, offset, color, etc. When done right, though, it's perfection.
Keith Tanner said:The first gen CRX guys will only accept the CF48. It's like a religion. And yes, they're worth quite a bit to those guys.
And I have a set of Alfa wheels and the wobble bolts to make them fit a Miata ;)
I was just going to mention wobble bolts.
In reply to m4ff3w :
I e got to decide tonight what wheels to put on my MGUAR. It's going to be built according to challenge rules. ( modified ). I'm taking all the junk I've accumulated over decades of racing and restoration and going to add up to $2000 to it to see what I arrive at.
Back to wheels. I've got sets of Jaguar wire wheels here. I'm sure 4 will clean up enough to look respectable. They are 15x6 I've also got a chance to acquire a set of 16-7 or 8 Dayton wires if I do a tune up on a V12 ( we both agree that's worth $200 which is what he'll give me the wheels for).
Finally I've got a set of Halibrand' s cast for the Chapparel mk1
My concern is what tires can I get for those three sizes that will be at least a little race worthy.
David S. Wallens said:(Also, do we mention that Keith and I have been chatting all day via e-mail, too?
I am glad he is getting the Mugen wheels and is going to right his wrong
This came up while Googling the Mugen CF48. I don't own anything that should have wheels like this, and I don't have plans to, I even think it's probably too loud in reality, but I totally want this.
m4ff3w said:Keith Tanner said:The first gen CRX guys will only accept the CF48. It's like a religion. And yes, they're worth quite a bit to those guys.
And I have a set of Alfa wheels and the wobble bolts to make them fit a Miata ;)
I was just going to mention wobble bolts.
If only because it's really fun to say wobble bolts.
C'mon everyone, say it. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Okay, yeah, that is pretty fun to say.
Keith Tanner said:C'mon everyone, say it. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts.
This belongs on a T-shirt.
In reply to David S. Wallens :
I’m pretty sure that my first issue of Auto-X magazine had a set of those Mugen wheels on the cover. I can’t find a photo, but I know that I still have the magazine.
David S. Wallens said:Another side conversation that I have had with myself: not all "banana-spoke" wheels (Panasport, Watanabe, Rota RB, Black Racing, Minilite, etc.) are created equal. Some look better than others. Sometimes it's a matter of brand, size, offset, color, etc. When done right, though, it's perfection.
I agree. Good Minilites are really good, but bad Minilites are really bad.
Sorry Daises...
Found it!
In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
Ta da. A classic.
Regarding the title of this thread, I pretty much did that.
On the first car, I did the math to get the best sprung-to-unsprung weight ration possible, ending up with spun aluminum wheels. They were great, right up 'til potholes - and Discount Tire - bent all of them. Next car, picked off-the-shelf wheels that looked nice, and ignored the weight. They work just fine and none are bent.
David S. Wallens said:In reply to bluej (Forum Supporter) :
oooooo. I had forgotten about those. they'd look pretty slick on my e46 touring.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
weeble bolts wobble, but they don't fall off!
David S. Wallens said:In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :
Ta da. A classic.
I had never actually heard of the magazine before that issue.
I knew a guy who was racing a really fast 1978 Civic 1200, and I bought a 1979 for myself. I saw an ad for King Motorsports somewhere and I wrote to them for more information. Scott Zellner sent me a big envelope full of stuff, and that issue was in there. Fortunately, there was one of those annoying blown-in subscription cards in the magazine, so I sent it in and I was hooked!
David S. Wallens said:Another side conversation that I have had with myself: not all "banana-spoke" wheels (Panasport, Watanabe, Rota RB, Black Racing, Minilite, etc.) are created equal. Some look better than others. Sometimes it's a matter of brand, size, offset, color, etc. When done right, though, it's perfection.
Quite true. Which is why I said Panasports. Other brands don't look as good to me, including Minilites or the Rota RB. I like the Watanabe style on some cars, but not everything. For better or worse, I know exactly what 16" Panasports look like on a MINI (my ex's car I've known since she bought it new in 2003; pic from 2018 after a long refresh session):
I knew a guy who was racing a really fast 1978 Civic 1200, and I bought a 1979 for myself. I saw an ad for King Motorsports somewhere and I wrote to them for more information. Scott Zellner sent me a big envelope full of stuff, and that issue was in there. Fortunately, there was one of those annoying blown-in subscription cards in the magazine, so I sent it in and I was hooked!
This post gave me a pang of nostalgia. I rarely ever want to go back in time, but something in there made me think that discovering things used to feel a lot more special before the internet.
Anyway, im all for going with heavy silly steelies for 'the look', but since noone else has said it, i'll just go ahead and say that if you sell steelies and your website advertises them as 'two piece wheels', that's.. kinda silly. Not wrong exactly, just.. silly.
In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :
Those do look good.
Really wish I could find a set of these for reasonable.
'73 Volvo 1800ES. 5x108mm (4.25").
Also like the look of Halibrand kidney slots with knockoffs, but that's never going to happen on that car - even if I could pay for them.
Edit: So I look at the They still make these wheels I hated in the 70's... thread this morning and there is the exact picture I posted...
CJ (FS) said:Really wish I could find a set of these for reasonable.
'73 Volvo 1800ES. 5x108mm (4.25").
Also like the look of Halibrand kidney slots with knockoffs, but that's never going to happen on that car - even if I could pay for them.
Vp auto parts.
We haven't mentioned this one yet, but Woody at Tire Rack knows that I have a thing for the Kosei K1. I've had them back in the day but am currently K1-less.
I'm getting the BBS RS-GT wheels on my 996 Turbo refinished as I type. It wasn't cheap and I struggled with it but it was cheaper than buying BBS E88 wheels and I'll end up with a wheel that nobody else has. I'll post pics in a week when I get them back...
Found myself looking at wheels again tonight. It's a sickness, I tell ya.
In the 90's, my high school job was working at an aftermarket wheel and tire place. The owner was very eclectic and would buy leftovers stock of wheels from all over the world. It wasn't uncommon for him to buy a container of wheels from a company and my job was to make sets (re drilling and machining back spaces) it was really fun and I fell in love with certain wheels. We would get so many cool and rare wheels that I lusted after. I still have a few onsies that were so cool, but never had a match.
I love the classic BMW Steelies. I think an E46 M3 on something similar but wider would indeed be pretty slick. Maybe they would look cool on my M2 . . .
mw said:In the 90's, my high school job was working at an aftermarket wheel and tire place. The owner was very eclectic and would buy leftovers stock of wheels from all over the world. It wasn't uncommon for him to buy a container of wheels from a company and my job was to make sets (re drilling and machining back spaces) it was really fun and I fell in love with certain wheels. We would get so many cool and rare wheels that I lusted after. I still have a few onsies that were so cool, but never had a match.
You need to share pics !
I must be in good company around here...I own a set of Kosei K1s, a set of Rota RBs and a set of Panasports (sized to fit nothing I own).
In reply to mw :
That wouldn't happen to have been at a place on Martin St. in Milton, would it?
chandler said:mw said:In the 90's, my high school job was working at an aftermarket wheel and tire place. The owner was very eclectic and would buy leftovers stock of wheels from all over the world. It wasn't uncommon for him to buy a container of wheels from a company and my job was to make sets (re drilling and machining back spaces) it was really fun and I fell in love with certain wheels. We would get so many cool and rare wheels that I lusted after. I still have a few onsies that were so cool, but never had a match.
You need to share pics !
Remember that in the 90's, bringing a camera to work would have been a little unusual and require extra planning. I don't know may people who carried a camera with them everywhere they went at the time, and pictures cost money so you actually thought about shooting them :)
Unless we're talking about the leftover onesies, in which case I concur!
ZOO (Forum Supporter) said:I love the classic BMW Steelies. I think an E46 M3 on something similar but wider would indeed be pretty slick. Maybe they would look cool on my M2 . . .
Best to avoid steel wheels whenever possible. I tested steel vs. alloy on one of my race cars. The steels flexed enough that you had to keep a tight grip on the wheel under very hard braking. The same tires on alloy wheels allowed you to go straight in under full braking with your hands slightly off the steering wheel without any judder. And yes, I did check run out etc. on the steel wheels to be sure that wasn't an issue.
I ran magnesium alloy wheels on my race cars (I switched after ripping the centre right out of a steel wheel, leaving the wheel centre still tightly bolted to the hub) until I switched to exclusively vintage racing. Unfortunately the race car I was running had peg drive steel wheels so there was no alloy equivalent. Fortunately those particular steel wheels were much more stable in hard use than the bolt on ones that had folded up on me.
Besides, the original BMW wheels mostly look very good. I like the stock ones on my E86 more than I do any of the after market options I've seen (well, if a set of CSL wheels at a good price crossed my path I guess I'd be tempted....)
In reply to wspohn :
If I used them on the M2 it would only be for street use. Maybe with a narrower tire and a taller sidewall. It would be an aesthetic mod only :)
I don't think steel vs alloy wheels are inherently any different in terms of stiffness. It's all about the design.
In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
I admit, huge K1 fan here. Woody at Tire Rack knows all too well.
Speaking of steelies, Forgeline offers a forged aluminum wheel that doesn't look like one. 
In reply to David S. Wallens :
Ouch, I knew Forgelines were pricey, but still.
~$6500 for a set of wheels. I'm trying to imagine how much money I'd need to have the type of car that I'd spend that much on wheels for!
I tend to be a function over form guy when it comes to wheels. I had a set of these. Not a particularly pretty wheel, but they are Center Line forged 15x7s. I've since traded them for some Challenge friendly tires and wheels for the drag portion of the competition, but I originally picked them up off FB Marketplace for $80 and they only weighed 11 lb. each ! They would have gone nicely on my supercharged NB, but you know.....Challenge!
TE37s were always my goto Gran Turismo wheel!
I saw a set of Watanabe rims for sale this morning. Seller must be pretty fond of them as the asking price was $4000.........no, that isn't a typo.
This is my driveway right now.
And thats not including the collection in storage or mounted to cars. K1s and rota slipstreams on the neon, steelies and bullits for the duster, eagle billets on the half ton, rfp1 on the Miata.....
wheels are so much fun to restore, collect, and hunt. And can make or break the look of a car instantly in my eye.
In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
Watanabes are way, way cool but, yeah, not a cheap date. I have found myself looking more than once. Have you see that Black Racing seems to have a U.S. presence?
thashane said:TE37s were always my goto Gran Turismo wheel!
Never a wrong answer. Never.
David S. Wallens said:In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
Watanabes are way, way cool but, yeah, not a cheap date. I have found myself looking more than once. Have you see that Black Racing seems to have a U.S. presence?
Never heard of them, and I like wheels with black centers and polished lips. Unfortunately, the sizes they offer that I'd use are all black. As an aside , I really like those "Camaroesque" body kits for Nissan coupes.
At some point, we could start a whole separate discussion about eight-spoke wheels: Watanabe, VTO, Panasport, Minilike, Rota RB, Konig Rewind, Black Racing, Enkei Compe, etc., as each one has its own nuances.
David S. Wallens said:
Those Mugen wheels would really look cool with a step-up 2pc conversion. Bring them into a 15 or 16" size.
In reply to iansane :
Hmmmmm. Hello, Love20bee?
Also, watanabe-ish wheels are my favorite. I don't like the curved spokes a lot of them carry like the old xxrs. Straight spokes look best to me. Heck, I put them on my e30. It was hard getting a set in 17x9 that didn't have a negative-elevetybillion offset.
I have two sets (15"& 16") of Rota RBs for my MINI and Miata and a set of Panasports with a 4x108 bolt pattern. Bought them because they were cheap. I've never owned a car with that bolt pattern, but they look nice.
I have something like 8sets of Porsche wheels in my shed. Some of the 2nd Jen Fuchs with the polished barrels. A cool set of 3 piece dp rims that I really like. Then there is the smattering of OE 928 s4, 924s 944 and 951 sets of various types and offsets. I should pull them out and inventory them.
Wheels use to be about weight and how much tire I can get under a car. Now it is about making me smile when I look at my car. Sometimes you get both. That is a special moment for a car guy.
Keith Tanner said:You want steelies on your BMW? Here are steelies.
Owner of this also owns an FM-built CA legal LS3 Miata that's just peeking in front of the clownshoe.
The license plate is gold
In reply to David S. Wallens :
Definitely inline with the mention of not being able to afford wheels - back in the day. Would probably spend more time choosing the digital wheel than trying to figure out how the exact amount of rear camber. Some good times with friends wasting our weekends on GT3 to finish the endurance races
David S. Wallens said:thashane said:TE37s were always my goto Gran Turismo wheel!
Never a wrong answer. Never.
Agreed. I still have a set of not-very-well refurbished TE37s despite not owning any car this particular set would fit.
In reply to BoxheadTim :
Gotta be prepared. And soon you'll see a GRM project car on some OG TE37s. Just waiting on tires. :)
David S. Wallens said:In reply to bluej (Forum Supporter) :
Geez, why are cool looking steel wheels $169 each? (Because they can be...)
DeadSkunk (Warren) said:Keith Tanner said:C'mon everyone, say it. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts. Wobble bolts.
This belongs on a T-shirt.
This belongs on a womens T-shirt
noddaz said:David S. Wallens said:In reply to bluej (Forum Supporter) :
Geez, why are cool looking steel wheels $169 each? (Because they can be...)
I daydream about getting some boxy 80s/90s sedan or old 2wd truck and slamming it on some Aero or Basset steelies. But I'm a coward and only buy Miatas or 4x4s 
Wow! Michelin XWX tires. I had them on my '65 Mustang back in the '70's.
Saved my butt a few times when I really needed cornering grip and sidewall stiffness because teenage boy with a 300 hp Mustang who thought Mark Donahue was the greatest ever.
Also because they were stock on a Ferrari Dino, my grandpa was a Michelin tire dealer, and the factory Michelin salesman, my good buddy, made sure I got the rock bottom wholesale price for that set.. And they still were not cheap.
I am only slightly into the wheel game now.
The first being an uncommon (due to bolt pattern) Mille Miglia F20. Fit the Intrepid nicely and luckily since at the time of purchase they were literally bought as a 'ooo, I like how those look' and knew nothing about bore diameter or offset. 18x8 in a unknown offset (stamped twice, I've never measured)
(not my car, but those are the F20's)
The second cool set is the Momo Arrows that came with the BMW, I need to get centre caps for them yet and possibly get them refurbished but they have a nice vintage vibe to them and the fitment is perfect for an e36 (and came with the car when the PO bought the car)
(actually my car, prior to hitting the deer)
thatsnowinnebago said:I daydream about getting some boxy 80s/90s sedan or old 2wd truck and slamming it on some Aero or Basset steelies. But I'm a coward and only buy Miatas or 4x4s
chrome plated lips on custom basset racing wheels lol. I don't remember who marketed these but it was a VW/ Porsche shop in KC.
David S. Wallens said:At some point, we could start a whole separate discussion about eight-spoke wheels: Watanabe, VTO, Panasport, Minilike, Rota RB, Konig Rewind, Black Racing, Enkei Compe, etc., as each one has its own nuances.
There is a thread with all the different designs, it was a ton of fun while the OP was creating and sharing all his knowledge which was wicked intensive. I'll see if I can find....
In reply to chandler :
Oh yeah, thank you for the reminder. So many variables, so much goodness.
So, is there a generic name for those kinds of wheels? A friend in the biz once referred to them as banana-spoke wheels.
Keith Tanner said:That's why my Ronals stand out so much!
There is something about Ronals...... (has anyone here ever run these - and is willing to admit it?)
In reply to wspohn :
Hey, we're written about that wheel before: What is the perfect Miata wheel? And can we agree it’s three-piece Bears? | Garage Rescue Miata
Wheels. Yeah, wow, I've never been really able to afford anything fancy. I'd much rather spend the money on good tires.
Besides, in the rough and tumble world of street driving (vs. tracks and autoX parking lots,) I value toughness and "meh, its already pretty beat-up so...) over feather-light and "hand-formed from the finest Swiss unubtainium." Don't get me wrong...I get whole light un-sprung weight/beauty/exclusivity/bench racing forum bragging rights/etc. arguments. Its just that when you have to pay for something out of your own pocket - a pocket that also has to support mortgage/food/credit cards/wife's shopping needs/etc. - fancy wheels can end up pretty far down the list.
That all being said, last year I did spring for some nice wheels for my GTI-DD. I chose some mid-grade cast products from Enkei - a manufacturer with a good reputation. Nothing wild...stock diameter, 0.5" wider, similar off-set wheels. I did get T.R. to add some last gen Pilot AS3+ tires. This netted me a handsome set-up that was (barely) affordable but really transformed my VW from fun to drive daily to REALLY fun to drive daily. And, (so far) the Enkei's seem to be holding up just fine out on the streets. I'm very pleased...and, really, that's all that counts in the end.
Not gonna lie, most of the reason I bought my corvette was because of the wheels that were on it.
^ VERY NICE!
I agree that wheels can change the looks of a car immensely. My Mustang GT got some 20" wheels that were modern versions of the classic Torq Thrusts seen on so many muscle cars.
before and after:
And my Volt with 20" Forged TSWs...
Back in the early '90s, on my RX7 autocross car I only was concerned with size and offsets, so I got the cheapest aftermarket wheels that provided those specs. If I were to do it again, I'd get something like 17" versions of what I put on the Mustang to match the style of the car.
Re. the Volt, Mustang and C5: Yes, amazing how wheels can totally transform things.
In reply to Spoolpigeon :
Very nice C5. I've nearly done the same thing...
I once got a set of TR7 steel spoke wheels for my Mk4 Spitfire for $10 each! They had been recalled because the hub was welded to the rim with an uncertified welding process. Rather than x-ray them, Triumph recalled them and replaced them with the standard wheel (same width). One of my friends in the Delta Region SCCA tipped me off and I got a set before they were shipped back to England (I made a $40 contribution to their Christmas party fund!). The bolt pattern matched and I had no problems with them.
In reply to jerel77494 :
Many years ago, we might have visited a car company that had issued a wheel recall. They had a chain link cage full of wheels, each one with a hole drilled through the rim.
"Wheels that make you happy"... and are appropriate for their use. I put some real race wheels on a street car and both potholes and tire shops showed that they weren't up to the assigned role.
In reply to wspohn :my best friend had an 84 colt turbo with Ronal 15x8s on it with 205/50 comp ta/r rubber. That thing was brutally quick on back roads omg use to auto x it with brr scca. It was white.
In reply to wspohn :my best friend had an 84 colt turbo with Ronal 15x8s on it with 205/50 comp ta/r rubber. That thing was brutally quick on back roads omg use to auto x it with brr scca. It was white.
In reply to z31maniac :
somewhere in the realm of 250 000$ to 500 000$ for the car as Forgelines are usually run on GT4's and GT3's race cars.
These wheels fit the standard spline for British cars (except the larger Jag splines) and are magnesium, 7" wide and very light. Plus you get three eared knock offs and can pretend that you are Ben Hur rounding the turn at the Circus Maximus. They'd look pretty cool on an Aston Martin or Austin Healey.
Only downside is the cost - https://www.ebay.ca/itm/154629833802?hash=item2400a8044a:g:~20AAOSwEvZgDYDM&vxp=mtr
and that doesn't include knock off spinners.
The coolest thing to ever happen to old, vintage, classic wheels is Love20Bee His work is total wheel porn
In reply to amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter) :
Yes to that. Some very, very cool stuff.
In reply to David S. Wallens :
In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :
Got some off brand wheels for my 80 280zx for $200 bucks for the set from a guy in my ct z club.. Car was just a driver and they totally set the car off just right... Skinned them with some used tires off some e36 rims I had next to the house... currently have three sets of rims for my 96 328 sedan. The ZX is long gone...
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