AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/10/24 8:52 p.m.

This is from earlier today:

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/10/24 9:05 p.m.

Through what is probably an oversized media  exposure of what a $2000 challenge car is, I have stopped correcting people.   

It's not about the car or the build, or even you.  It's about them.  They can't see how THEY could do it for that amount of money.  If they admit YOU could do it it pops their bubble.  They have to justify that you had some inherent advantage over them that isn't just you.  You were willing to cheat, you got free parts, you have tools and equipment they don't have, etc.  

Let them have their win.  They aren't coming to the challenge and they aren't changing their mind.  

It took me a long time to realize this because I was personally hurt when people doubted my honesty and I really felt like they were attacking my integrity.   But I just don't care anymore.  

The exact moment my thoughts on this changed was at PRI when I was "defending" myself against some random sticker collector.  They started saying I got free parts "nope", they then said yeah but you got good deals "I used Undesirable SUV parts or paid retail", they said yeah but you have tools those count in budget "I have a typically stocked garage", yeah but you can afford a garage that counts in the budget, yeah but you own your house that counts in a budget, yeah but you have a mechanical engineering degree that counts in the budget.. 

There was no end to the mental gymnastics and yeah buts they would do to justify their view that the car was >$2000.  It's just not worth my time to even start with them.  

WE KNOW what you did.  We know the rules.  We know it rocks.  Haters don't get to vote.  

AxeHealey
AxeHealey GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/10/24 9:44 p.m.

Just be like, "Yeah... \m/".

Patrick
Patrick GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/11/24 7:20 a.m.

I'm never wasting another second justifying anything to anyone. berkeley the naysayers cause they don't mean a thing and all that. In 2016 margie patio'ed someone for jumping in my build thread to for the Datsun with the "no way you did a 5.3 swap for 2 grand yeah the engine is cheap but everything else is expensive" and i was like dude my oil pan was on clearance and the rest was fabbed and they just kept going. Definitely a them problem. Now LS stuff is common at the challenge 8 years later. Everyone must be cheating 

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/11/24 7:40 a.m.

I take it as a compliment. You think it's impossible to build a car of this quality using skill and effort instead of cash? Damn I guess my skills and effort look impossibly good.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/11/24 7:50 a.m.

I got a little of that this year at the challenge.

I don't think people realized how cheap you can get an rx8!

In my case, it was easy to pull up fbm and there was 1 near the track for $Free.  Lolz.

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
4/11/24 8:13 a.m.

There's a $1500 Mazdaspeed3 that I think runs and drives on this forum RIGHT NOW. Ain't nobody got an excuse. Just gotta be paying attention and be willing to do the work. There's even coilovers that have been offered for it FOR FREE. It's not that hard. 

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
4/11/24 8:26 a.m.

Most of the naysayers have problems with the having to count what they already have in the garage or on a shelf at home. But nothing in the rules say I can't buy a product and copy it out of scrap materials I have at home with my cnc machine. cheeky

Look up Matt Happels 8 for 8 build. Still lots of naysayers there too. But he bought smartly with an already caged mustang for cheap cheap. Didn't put in an interior. Sent the money on just enough parts to boost a LS to the moon with a wrong converter.

Lof8 - Andy
Lof8 - Andy GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/11/24 8:29 a.m.

In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :

to be fair, all that guy said was, "U built a v8 corvair for 2024 dollars?"  I know the implied meaning is that the task is unlikely/improbable/whatever, but its not terribly negative as written.  

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/11/24 8:39 a.m.

 

Racebrick
Racebrick HalfDork
4/11/24 8:46 a.m.

This is pretty analogous to all areas of life.

jharry3
jharry3 GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/11/24 8:52 a.m.
Lof8 - Andy said:

In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :

to be fair, all that guy said was, "U built a v8 corvair for 2024 dollars?"  I know the implied meaning is that the task is unlikely/improbable/whatever, but its not terribly negative as written.  

If the guy wrote: "Wow! U built a v8 corvair 2024 dollars?" then the whole tone of the comment could be taken differently.

pinchvalve (Forum Supporter)
pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/11/24 9:18 a.m.

I would say that since the  dawn of the internet, the % of people in the US who were predominantly naysayers went from maybe 8% to over 60%. I swear that no matter what you do or say, there will be a chorus of naysayers piping up. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/11/24 10:43 a.m.
AxeHealey said:

Just be like, "Yeah... \m/".

Oh I love this. Give just as much effort to the response as they gave to the question. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/11/24 10:49 a.m.
Racebrick said:

This is pretty analogous to all areas of life.

Teddy Roosevelt, it appears, would agree:

“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

—Theodore Roosevelt
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

I have a little poster with this quote that I keep on the wall in my shop. Because I like it. 

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/11/24 10:53 a.m.
Noddaz said:

 

This is a new one for me and I also love it. The "read that again" part undermines it a bit because the first part is so good on its own and the author should leave it to the reader to judge the quality of the statement. But I still like it. I will steal it. At least the first part.  

madmrak351
madmrak351 HalfDork
4/14/24 2:00 p.m.

Not in the financial sense.... Someone in our family said to my son about his Challenge truck: Your going to drive that thing to Gainesville and not trailer it??!!

Shadeux
Shadeux GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/14/24 2:44 p.m.

"Hey, why did you do it the stupid way?"

"... 'cause stupid is all I got."

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones UltraDork
4/14/24 8:29 p.m.
pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) said:

I would say that since the  dawn of the internet, the % of people in the US who were predominantly naysayers went from maybe 8% to over 60%. I swear that no matter what you do or say, there will be a chorus of naysayers piping up. 

No there won't devil

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
4/14/24 10:02 p.m.

In reply to Steve_Jones :

akylekoz
akylekoz UltraDork
4/25/24 6:30 a.m.

When I like someones work, I tell them "That will never work, who told you to do it that way".  Then just walk away and let them figure out if I'm an A hole or not.  I do not start with that if there is room for improvement, in that case I will hang around until I figure out what they were thinking or until the discussion ends in a better idea.

03Panther
03Panther PowerDork
4/25/24 8:48 a.m.

In reply to pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) :

Back in the early '80s, (no internet at the time) when u liked to build things differently than other folk, the naysayers were just as predominant as today. 
1) You want to lower your '73 Datsun 620 pu? It can't be done and driven! Lift it to look like a 4x4 like every one else does!

2)You can't put that alternator Sportster engine in a ol' 70s generator frame to make a lighter bobber...

3) You can't lower a 48 Ford pu, and run it with no front fenders...  you gotta spend massive dollars on a '30s era for that look!

4) You can't put a 6cyl  Diesel (from a combine) in a Chevy 4x4 K30!

internet makes azz hats more visible, but nothing has changed. 

03Panther
03Panther PowerDork
4/25/24 8:53 a.m.
Lof8 - Andy said:

In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :

to be fair, all that guy said was, "U built a v8 corvair for 2024 dollars?"  I know the implied meaning is that the task is unlikely/improbable/whatever, but its not terribly negative as written.  

Also, the question sounds like a legit question from a guy that doesn't know, not like he saying "no the hell you didn't"

And after being given some information, his final comment IS a compliment. 
At least, that what I read from the screen shot. 

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