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Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/9/13 6:36 p.m.

Once again, it's not a car but I have used it to build car stuff.

The object in question.

This is a 1947 South Bend 9A, 54" Tool Room Lathe. The A means it has the quick change gear box and full power feeds rather than the change gears and manual feeds. Not long after I bought it, I added a 2.5 hp DC motor and variable speed drive.

I bought this lathe 10 years ago for $400. It had been sitting in a shed for a long time and was nasty. I cleaned it up some then, but mostly just the surface dust and dirt. I have used it very little in the last couple of years due to space at the old house, moving, and other projects. I have the castings for a couple of steam engines I want to build so I'm setting back up the machine shop. First order of business is getting the lathe ready to work hard. That means a full tear down to remove all the nasty old oil and grease, swarf and to change all the oil felts and wicks.

To aid in this project, I ordered this off Ebay.

It also came with all the felts and wicks. There are no ball bearings in the entire machine. Everything turns in the cast iron. The felts and wicks supply a continuous thin coat of oil to the bearings as the shafts and gears turn.

ransom
ransom GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
5/9/13 6:38 p.m.

Wow. Subscribing.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/9/13 6:40 p.m.

You are my king.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/9/13 6:50 p.m.

The first order of business was to get the chuck off the spindle. After 10 years of cutting it was tight. I ended up chucking up a piece of square stock and holding the belt pulley with a strap wrench.

That leaves you with this:

Next was to pull the reversing gear assembly and drive gear off the gear box. I didn't take any pictures of it assembled. This is after a dunk in the parts washer. The gears and shafts don't look too bad for being 66 years old.

These are the old felts out of the reverse gear assembly. They are hard and choked with crap. Replacing them is the main reason for the tear down.

The next step was to pull the gear box. The carriage lead screw comes with it.

This is what it looks like inside.

That's as far as I have made it, more to come as it happens. I'm trying to decide if I should paint it while I have it apart.

cdowd
cdowd Reader
5/9/13 7:01 p.m.

This is a neat piece of equiptment and I am looking forward to the projects you use it for. Chris

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy UberDork
5/9/13 9:05 p.m.

Excellent.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/9/13 9:22 p.m.

Cool project!

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe Dork
5/9/13 10:31 p.m.

9A restoration worth a read, and has some cool tips.

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/1947-model-9a-128005/index16.html

jgrewe
jgrewe New Reader
5/9/13 11:07 p.m.

The serpentine belt conversion was the best thing I ever did on my 16" Southbend.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/10/13 5:57 a.m.

In reply to wearymicrobe:

Bookmarked! Thanks.

I'm not going to make mine that pretty though. I want to actually use it when I'm done.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe Dork
5/10/13 9:15 a.m.
Toyman01 wrote: In reply to wearymicrobe: Bookmarked! Thanks. I'm not going to make mine that pretty though. I want to actually use it when I'm done.

Yeah those guys are kind of nuts. If I was going to put in that much work I would have started with a 10K or something.

tuna55
tuna55 PowerDork
5/10/13 9:16 a.m.

Wow, that is in fantastic shape

banzaitoyota
banzaitoyota Reader
5/10/13 9:14 p.m.

nice

wheelsmithy
wheelsmithy GRM+ Memberand Reader
5/10/13 9:33 p.m.

Oooooooo

2K4Kcsq
2K4Kcsq Reader
5/11/13 6:57 p.m.

very cool. I need to stop buying cars and start building my own machine shop. . . a good friend of mine has been restoring a bridgeport mill, most of his work has gone into resurfacing the mounting surface for the table. . . i'll have to turn him on to this. can't wait to see more

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/14/13 6:12 p.m.

OK, a small update. Due to an autocross Saturday and moving my daughter back from college for the summer, nothing happened this weekend. I did get some new toys for it though. and a little more disassembly done.

The spindle, belt pulley, back gear assembly and bull gear have been removed.

I'm amazed that the bearing surfaces are damn near perfect. I haven't had the spindle out in 7-8 years and many hours of running.

The hole at the bottom of these bearings is where the wick for the oil cups go. As you can see, they aren't in very good shape. They will get changed.

Now for the toys. I've decided to go ahead and clean it up right and paint it. It will make it easier to keep clean and keep the rust to a minimum. So we have paint. This is from Tractor Supply. I've used their paint before with good success. It's a high gloss oil based paint. I'll be using their hardener and reducer as well. The paint will set up without the hardener, but it's more durable if you use it.

I'm also going to add DROs to it. I ordered a 36" for the Z axis and a 6" for the X axis. That will make it much easier to make accurate cuts.

While I was at it, I ordered a full set for the mill too.

More to come.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/22/13 9:09 p.m.

Update again.

I did get a little more done this past weekend. It's basically stripped down and at minimum, the initial cleaning is done to everything except the bed.

Gear stack out of the transmission.

Shifters

Apron with power feed transmission.

This is the bed. It's one heavy SOB so I'm not sure how I'm going to get it clean. Not much chance it will fit in the parts washer.

I've also got the transmission case primed.

I've decided to mount it on a new bench. With that in mind I picked this up at Sam's

Now as I get it painted I can mount everything as it's done. The old bench had one drawer which was a mess. This will let me sort the stuff out so, maybe, I can find things when I need them.

I'm looking forward to get it back together.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/22/13 9:11 p.m.

Here is why I didn't get more done. I had given my Taig lathe to my eldest son for his birthday last month. He wanted lessons on it. My granddaughter got some pointers too.

That's the cylinder for a oscillating steam engine she has in her hand. My son is turning the piston and rod.

ultraclyde
ultraclyde GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/23/13 6:53 a.m.

Wow. I'd love to learn how to use a metal lathe and milling machine, I can't even imagine tearing one apart.

That bench from Sam's is gorgeous. A revamped lathe mounted on that will be GGA thread worthy.

dculberson
dculberson UltraDork
5/23/13 7:00 a.m.

Looking great! No more putting dirty gears on your poor cloth chair though. ;-)

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/25/13 4:25 p.m.

Another update. I dedicated most of the day to moving this project forward.

The bed is clean. I finally decided to take the pressure washer to it. Then an assortment of brushes and hot soapy water. Then some more with the pressure washer. I then heated it with a large propane torch to get all the water off. Then a bath with brake cleaner and then primer. While I had the spray gun fired up I painted all the other parts that were ready.

Next on the list was the apron. I have never had it apart and it was pretty nasty. There was an amazing amount of swarf and goo in just about every crack and crevice.

Disassembled,

All the guts clean and ready to be reassembled as soon as the housing is painted. I'm still amazed at how well these parts clean up.

That's probably it for today. Until next time...

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/25/13 8:22 p.m.

I should have stopped while I was ahead.

Lesson number 1. Inertia is a bitch.

I was driving the shaft out of the center pulley in the primary pulley assembly when this happened.

I should have pulled the large pulley first. The fragments flew off fast enough to hit the far wall of the shop with considerable force. I hate it when I do stupid stuff like this.

I think it will still work as it is but if not I'll have to track down another pulley.

Must be time to invest in a press.

JoeyM
JoeyM MegaDork
5/25/13 8:24 p.m.

Whoa.....I'm glad you weren't hit by any of the pieces.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
5/26/13 6:16 p.m.

Update again.

I spent the day in the shop again.

All the parts that were primed yesterday were painted today. I am pretty pleased with how it turned out.

I was also able to get just about everything that needs paint, primed today as well. I'm hoping to get the finish paint on them tomorrow. Then it will be down to assembly.

JoeyM
JoeyM MegaDork
5/26/13 7:07 p.m.

I just noticed your tool bench. I have the same one, and really like it.

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