23.5 for total fleet, 18.66 for daily drivers
23.5 for total fleet, 18.66 for daily drivers
My six vehicle fleet is at a 27.2 year old average but that's skewed heavily by the age of the toys. The daily drivers average four years old while the four toys are an average of 38.75 years old including the 38 year old motorcycle that I bought new.
That doesn't make me feel old at all....
My stats:
18.83 year average. Hopefully 14.8 this year after a bit of consolidation!
Mileage average is probably about 145,000 miles. Like above, 119,000 if things go well this year.
I was going to say hey now...I'm helping the average then I looked closer. 2, 20, and 36. yeah no......Average age is 19.3 years.
18.3 without my 2 year old truck, but that's why I went and bought something new.
I'm curious what the median age is. This will tell you if there truly are lots of 12 year-old cars on the road or if the data is being skewed by classics. This has already been demonstrated by many posting in this thread, myself included. The average age of my fleet is 19.6 years; however, that's vastly skewed by my two RX7s at 41 and 35 years old. Ignoring them, the average is 7.3 (11, 9 and 2).
Including my wife's 2014 Civic Si, we average 22.5 years.
ShawnG said:For some reason, people have been programmed that cars only last 5 years and it's somehow smarter to buy a new car than invest a couple thousand dollars in repairing whatever major component has just failed.
Apparently not
Fleet average 36, just two cars. 41 year old X1/9 that I have had 17 years has only 189,000 miles. 31 year old Volvo 245 is at 312,000. I hope they both last the rest of my drive time.
Mr. Peabody said:ShawnG said:For some reason, people have been programmed that cars only last 5 years and it's somehow smarter to buy a new car than invest a couple thousand dollars in repairing whatever major component has just failed.
Apparently not
This place seems to be the exception.
Wait.
You guys own stuff that is OBD-2??
I'm curious what that curve would look like if you extended it back to 1960 or so.
Looks like I was able to find data from 1970 to 2000 to help extend the curve. In 1970, the average age was 5.3 years, rising to 7.5 by 1984.
My fleet's average age is 26 - if you only count cars that run, it would be 12.
13.25 years, including a 2021 model. It was 16.75 years before that car switch out.
11x2 + 34x1 + 38x1 / 4 = 23.5 for operational drivers
56x1 + 47x2 /3 = 50 for projects in progress
34.9 overall (that's older than me!!)
edit for average purchase price across all 7 = $3,185.71 no wonder my crap is always broken
5.5 vehicles with an average of 22 years (88, 92, 99, 05, 10, and a 1/2 share of another 99).
Just the stuff with license plates current, is 29.2 years. Proper DD stuff would be 18 years. 2002, 2003, 2004. The really new 17 year old car is my daughters Sentra.
Every time I drive something newer, my interest in owning something newer shrivels. I really, really hate cars that argue with me.
With all the carbon tax I'm paying on fuel, I can't afford to save for a newer car.
Currently at 11.5 with a 98, 08, 11, and 21.
When I finally wrap up the little things on the 98 and sell the 11, then we'll be average at 12
MadScientistMatt said:I'm curious what that curve would look like if you extended it back to 1960 or so.
Looks like I was able to find data from 1970 to 2000 to help extend the curve. In 1970, the average age was 5.3 years, rising to 7.5 by 1984.
My fleet's average age is 26 - if you only count cars that run, it would be 12.
The 5 years in 1970 probably had a lot to do with the fact that a car in the north east would turn into a paper thin carcass of iron oxide in a few years if driven regularly. I suspect some here have some stories about that...
6 cars average age 25.83 years. Newest is 10 years old, oldest is 50. If we count the motorcycles the average is 29.33
Cooter said:Wait.
You guys own stuff that is OBD-2??
Somehow I suspect the Tesla does not have OBD-II. I should look.
As per infernosg's question about mean vs median, my fleet has an average age of 27.9 years and a median of 31. I am only counting currently registered vehicles, so the 1967 Land Rover and the spare 1966 Cadillac are not included.
ShawnG said:No matter what the government, EPA, dealerships and manufacturers tell you, Cars are more than capable of lasting well over 25 years without anything more than the maintenance listed in the owners manual. Rust belt people may have a different experience.
For some reason, people have been programmed that cars only last 5 years and it's somehow smarter to buy a new car than invest a couple thousand dollars in repairing whatever major component has just failed.
The reason is fear. People who need mechanics to take care of their cars 90% of the population) have all experienced the unneeded $700 brake job, or $2700 transmission overhaul.
Based on that 5 years is about their maximum courage length. They'd rather take a beating on the trade in than have a budget busting needed repair when they can't afford it, so it goes on the credit card that charges 22% interest rate.
maschinenbau said:I'm selling my 2018 DD and replaced it with a 2002. I am the data.
Your 2018 is like 25 in non-Italian years, though.
*ducks*
Pete. (l33t FS) said:maschinenbau said:I'm selling my 2018 DD and replaced it with a 2002. I am the data.
Your 2018 is like 25 in non-Italian years, though.
*ducks*
Cold. So cold.
aircooled said:MadScientistMatt said:I'm curious what that curve would look like if you extended it back to 1960 or so.
Looks like I was able to find data from 1970 to 2000 to help extend the curve. In 1970, the average age was 5.3 years, rising to 7.5 by 1984.
My fleet's average age is 26 - if you only count cars that run, it would be 12.
The 5 years in 1970 probably had a lot to do with the fact that a car in the north east would turn into a paper thin carcass of iron oxide in a few years if driven regularly. I suspect some here have some stories about that...
Don't know about that, but I have heard stories of Vegas that had rust bubbles on the dealer lots. And Nissans (Datsuns) allegedly used cheap eastern-bloc steel that wasn't fully refined, so the cars were being made precorroded, literally with iron oxide occlusions in the sheet metal.
I remember as a little kid, in 1984, my aunt's boyfriend using Bondo and red primer to patch up some gnarly rust holes in her '77 Pinto.
Better materials, engine tuning, and mandatory warranty requirements mean we also don't have engines that need valve jobs every 20k, or are considered to be completely worn out at 100k.
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