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92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
10/31/11 2:23 p.m.

I have mixed feelings on this.

Mainly, i'm hoping that either 1) aftermarket takes off for it, or 2) they release a ~270-300hp V6 option later.

Jay
Jay SuperDork
10/31/11 2:25 p.m.

An AW11 MR2 SC with 20+ years of mud and leaves stuck up in the front fenders is probably pushing 2600 lbs... Doesn't sound too bad to me.

BTW look how low it is! My M100 Elan is 1230 mm and it's pretty low compared to just about everything. Good on Toyota for resisting the "let's make it tall so old people can get in easily" trend.

...THAT IS, IF these are real specs. Unfortunately, like the last 10 000 times "hard data" about this car has been "leaked", it could have just as easily come from a Japanese car magazine wanking about how awesome they want it to be. I'll believe it when I see it.

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/31/11 2:31 p.m.

I'm impressed 2700lbs is light Especially for a modern car with modern safety. There are LOTS of 2 seat sports cars that we all love that are heavier than that and lots of cars we love that are within 200lbs lighter than that. Even the choosen one is only 500lbs less than that. Hell Cobra replicas approach that weight. It looks like it may be a nice car. A good throwback. The question is will enough of the masses accept it's "low" power to keep it around for enthusiasts?

Uncoiled
Uncoiled New Reader
10/31/11 2:32 p.m.

Doesn't an e30 come in around 2700 lbs? Add some more power to the mix and it could be a lot of fun, if these are for real.....

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
10/31/11 2:33 p.m.

Numbers only tell part of the story. We need to get behind the wheel and see how it actually feels.

Like Per's article, will this be an every-optimistic car? Will it giggle at 7k rpm and keep climbing? Will it push through a corner like there's a snowplow attached and a foot of slush on the ground or will it be the sheer joy that Jezza assumes rubbing honey onto Keira Knightley would be?

If you just look at the specs, Miatas are a big bag of fail, too.

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk Dork
10/31/11 2:50 p.m.

I'm looking forward to it, if these specs are close. Modern cars at these specs can be entertaining. My MINI is ample for my entertainment needs and its power to weight is in the same ballpark. I'm prepared to wait and see how the new Toyota goes. Now, maybe I'll go over to the Hyundai dealer and have a look at the new Veloster.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
10/31/11 3:00 p.m.

Bad news, this car really only has 198hp. It has 200ps. That's gonna really slow it down.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy HalfDork
10/31/11 3:00 p.m.

A few more details froma recent event @ the Nurburgring.....

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
10/31/11 3:01 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote: Numbers only tell part of the story. We need to get behind the wheel and see how it actually *feels*. Like Per's article, will this be an every-optimistic car? Will it giggle at 7k rpm and keep climbing? Will it push through a corner like there's a snowplow attached and a foot of slush on the ground or will it be the sheer joy that Jezza assumes rubbing honey onto Keira Knightley would be? If you just look at the specs, Miatas are a big bag of fail, too.

Exactly. If it's a happy, fun car, then who cares what the numbers are. If it's not, then who cares what the numbers are.

ahutson03
ahutson03 Reader
10/31/11 3:31 p.m.

I kind of like keeping it na, it also might keep all the sti/evo big turbo bros away from it. I do wish they used an inline 4 in it, oh well just another new car I can't wait until they depreciate and I can justify buying one... Oh a Oh when do we find out the price?

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Reader
10/31/11 3:34 p.m.

Wow what a bunch of whiners. I guess when BMW comes out with a 2000lb 400hp coupe for $5K that will fit the bill. RWD, manual tranny, 200hp the basics are there.

scardeal
scardeal HalfDork
10/31/11 3:36 p.m.

What's lolling around in my head is, "Will it come with a clutch or torsen-type LSD?"

ahutson03
ahutson03 Reader
10/31/11 3:38 p.m.

I guess it's pretty good 500 lbs more than an ae86 with about 70 more hp, sounds decent to me

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy HalfDork
10/31/11 3:40 p.m.

In reply to scardeal:

word is Torsen in regular model, while a future planned type R will come with Brembos and a plate type LSD

ahutson03 wrote: I guess it's pretty good 500 lbs more than an ae86 with about 70 more hp, sounds decent to me

FRS 2660 to 2740 AE86 weighs 2450#s... look up road and Track Feb 1985 it is there in print

I see 300#s... not 500

ProDarwin
ProDarwin Dork
10/31/11 3:52 p.m.

I wouldn't be surprised to see these things in the high 2400s in ST* trim (assuming the 2660 curb). They will probably be ridiculous fun to drive in that form as well. The question is, where will SCCA put them?

Taiden
Taiden Dork
10/31/11 4:24 p.m.

I'm mostly curious about the suspension geometry.

That can make or break any car.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/31/11 4:39 p.m.
ProDarwin wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see these things in the high 2400s in ST* trim (assuming the 2660 curb). They will probably be ridiculous fun to drive in that form as well. The question is, where will SCCA put them?

Same classes as the V6 Genesis Coupe would probably be a good guess based on HP/Lbs (assuming this chart is real and the US version matches it).

The 205 tire might hurt it. I wonder how big you can get them on that? GC has a lot of room, as did the RX-8. S2K and MX5 aren't bad either.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin Dork
10/31/11 4:45 p.m.

ST* trim this will be far faster than the Genesis. Weight is killer when you have tire/wheel limits. Based on specs I wouldn't be surprised to see it faster than the RX-8. I think it is a borderline STX overdog, assuming it can fit at least 245s on a 9" wheel. I don't know if it will have what it takes to move up to STU or somehow get thrown into STR.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy HalfDork
10/31/11 4:54 p.m.

taken from FT86 club.......

MORE THINGS OF NOTE:

Strut front, double wishbone rear suspension Base halogens, optional HIDs on base trim, standard HIDs on high trim LSD on all MT cars Stability control standard Only 2 speaker audio on base car

High Spec: Has "high-quality fabric" (上級ファブリック). Option for leather heated seats with Alcantara inserts. Steel door sill insert / scuff plate (ステンレス製ドアスカッフプレート) Interior metallic door handle inserts Carbon fiber center console trim Door courtesy light Knee pad on console

The "Customize Grade" at the bottom is interesting: the "customize grade" bare bones model is 1190 kg !! Unpainted bumper 16 steelies (says ornament-included, guessing it includes the logo) plastic steering wheel NO A/C (only a heater) Power door locks Sunvisor (no vanity mirror) No speakers

the car in fact does require premium unleaded gas (無鉛プレミアム) the rear seat is one piece and is foldable (一体可動式)

price is still not set... but the word is $22k to $25k depending on trim/options

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/31/11 4:57 p.m.
ProDarwin wrote: ST* trim this will be far faster than the Genesis. Weight is killer when you have tire/wheel limits. Based on specs I wouldn't be surprised to see it faster than the RX-8. I think it is a borderline STX overdog, assuming it can fit at least 245s on a 9" wheel. I don't know if it will have what it takes to move up to STU or somehow get thrown into STR.

With the newest shake-up of all of the classes and the very public building of different 302 Camaro's for STX, I doubt this will make it there. STR is a very, very real possibility. Stock would end up in what, CS with the MX5? It lands squarely in the new BSP as well.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/31/11 4:59 p.m.
oldeskewltoy wrote: The "Customize Grade" at the bottom is interesting: the "customize grade" bare bones model is 1190 kg !! Unpainted bumper 16 steelies (says ornament-included, guessing it includes the logo) plastic steering wheel NO A/C (only a heater) Power door locks Sunvisor (no vanity mirror) No speakers

If true (and $22K), this would be incredible. Based on the fanboi source, and Hyundai's success with R-Spec GC's, I'm not holding my breath.

RexSeven
RexSeven SuperDork
10/31/11 5:10 p.m.

FT86 Club may also have scooped a picture of the production version of the car, as well as with various Toyota-made JDM styling bits. Here's the "production" car, the bodykitted versions you can look at in the links. They're fairly tasteful, no F&F rejects:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2075
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2054-/

I'm not a fan of the oh-so-90's "Euro" taillights or the wheels, but otherwise, I'm really liking this design. My 2600-2700lb, 145hp FC RX-7 is pretty fun so I'm hoping the FR-S will be even more so. Realistically, aside from the Miata, Elise/Exige, and subcompacts like the Fiat 500, you're not going to get a car much lighter than 2600lb nowadays. Not until prices for exotic materials like carbon fiber start to go down.

I love my Mazdaspeed3 but I really would like to replace it at some point with a newer, practical hardtop RWD car for a three-season DD. I miss my old S13 240SX and my RX-7's fuel mileage stops it from being ideal. I just hope the FR-S isn't too "Scion-ified." Scion is about function>form, the FT-S is supposed to be the other way around. I'd be pissed if they came standard with crap like a glass panorama roof and mood lighting, even more so if they pull a Porsche and charge extra to get rid of said crap.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin Dork
10/31/11 5:10 p.m.
Javelin wrote:
ProDarwin wrote: ST* trim this will be far faster than the Genesis. Weight is killer when you have tire/wheel limits. Based on specs I wouldn't be surprised to see it faster than the RX-8. I think it is a borderline STX overdog, assuming it can fit at least 245s on a 9" wheel. I don't know if it will have what it takes to move up to STU or somehow get thrown into STR.
With the newest shake-up of all of the classes and the very public building of different 302 Camaro's for STX, I doubt this will make it there. STR is a very, very real possibility. Stock would end up in what, CS with the MX5? It lands squarely in the new BSP as well.

STR (so far) is an inclusion-only class of all 2 seaters (ST Roadster), so I have my doubts they would put this there even if it is competitive. Its specs line up pretty well with a STX 325i. It will have a tad more peak power, weaker powerband, similar weight, better rear suspension. It is small though, and that is quite an advantage.

Stock - no idea. I could see DS or CS. A lot will depend on tire fitment and what you can do with the alignment. Much harder to go off a spec sheet.

Can't wait to see a few out there though. Could be a great enthusiast car with a huge following in a few years when they come down in price. Like an RX8 with double the gas mileage :)

MitchellC
MitchellC Dork
10/31/11 5:41 p.m.

It's lighter than my SVT Focus, with 30 more hp. It's going to be a fun car, and it's exactly the type of car I would like. Relatively simple (as far as amenities go), and it should be a fun driver. It's quite a looker, too, if I say so myself.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy Dork
10/31/11 5:51 p.m.
MitchellC wrote: It's lighter than my SVT Focus, with 30 more hp. It's going to be a fun car, and it's exactly the type of car I would like. Relatively simple (as far as amenities go), and it should be a fun driver. It's quite a looker, too, if I say so myself.

ding

You basically summed it up perfectly with that comparison. People should kill for this car. I'll buy the Subaru version (unless the Scion is badass).

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