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twentyover
twentyover New Reader
7/16/08 11:54 a.m.

Some good news. We biuld parts for (among other things) Ford Focus and Mazda 6.Line was sized for 5000 parts a week for focus- we're bulding at 6150/week, and just got a big check to expand volume to 7500/week.

Mazda 6- been in production about a month, already talking about volume increase from 100--->125K/annum

on the other hand, Dodge has 200+ days of inventory on 2008 Nitros

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/16/08 12:07 p.m.
twentyover wrote: Dodge has 200+ days of inventory on 2008 Nitros

They have three of them? WOW!

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
7/16/08 12:16 p.m.

The Nitro is just baffling. Combine a heaping dose of ugly and lousy gas mileage with two parts questionable build quallity and iffy ergonomics. Stir quickly and serve half-baked.

They killed the Neon to make room for this?

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
7/16/08 12:30 p.m.

they killed the neon for the caliber, not the nitro.

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
7/16/08 12:36 p.m.

I'm not saying they killed the neon for the nitro, only that they killed it and now are filling their lots (and production lines) with this beast instead.

Not that I have any love for the Calibre, either.

You'd think if only for CAFE reasons Chrysler would have wanted to keep one 30+mpg car around.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
7/16/08 1:08 p.m.
John Brown wrote:
twentyover wrote: Dodge has 200+ days of inventory on 2008 Nitros
They have three of them? WOW!

Oh, that's bad.

But pretty accurate.

About the CAFE thing: remember the PT Cruiser was classified as a light truck. That helped offset all those big horkin' HEMI Rams and etc. The Cruiser is going away in '09, or so we are told. On the Jeep side, it's been replaced by the Compass which is classified as a multipurpose vehicle (SUV).

The Neon was classified as a passenger car so yeah it was replaced by the Caliber, which is classified as a passenger car even though it shares the Compass platform.

All this makes me wonder how Chrysler intends to offset the big trucks for CAFE.

MitchellC
MitchellC New Reader
7/16/08 1:23 p.m.

In better news, the Nitro should be available at challenge prices new within the next few months.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
7/16/08 3:54 p.m.

http://chrysler.co.uk/

They offer diesel versions of everything in the UK.

http://dodge.co.uk/ THey offer a diesel 4cylinder 178 hp 300 ft-lb torque with a 6spd Nitro in europe..

HELLO dumbasses.... Maybe they'd sell here..

stuipd emissions laws

scotaku
scotaku New Reader
7/16/08 5:54 p.m.

Who seriously believes the General is going to die? I'm honestly looking at them near penny stock prices and thinking here's a chance to ride that pony right back up.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
7/16/08 8:25 p.m.

Yeah, our emissions laws are a PITA... but I have to admit I'd rather breathe here than in London.

You diesel engineer boys need to tighten up yer act, ignorant. Get the stinky out of the exhaust, why don'cha?

GM will probably recover but it will be a much different GM than we see now. I am leery of the big crash they have taken because it is due to short sighted management philosophy: short term profit at the expense of long term viability and I don't see that changing. Maybe if I could grab a few thou shares and ride them up $3-$4 a share, then bail... but not for the long term.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
7/16/08 8:44 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: You diesel engineer boys need to tighten up yer act, ignorant. Get the stinky out of the exhaust, why don'cha?

We did.. So much so that CAT won't build an engine for the over the road market anymore. Good bye kitty kat..

Our rules don't allow them to come over here.......... but its happening soon.. at a very rapid rate...

Moparman
Moparman New Reader
7/16/08 10:46 p.m.
skruffy wrote:
Osterkraut wrote:
pete240z wrote: No pay raises for salaried workers through the end of 2009. This blows. The little guy gets the short end. • No discretionary bonuses for executives. I really feel for these guys. How can they keep up their country club memberships?
Whoever was in charge of the new Malibu, and Saturn's new offerings needs a bonus!
You can thank Opel 10 years ago...

The Malibu was actually designed with a mandate from GM management to try to catch Toyota as per GM investor call. Yeah,we executives are such pigs. We sit back and collect salaries for doing nothing. Where is Karl Marx when you need him?

Gimp
Gimp GRM+ Memberand Dork
7/17/08 6:30 a.m.

^^^

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
7/17/08 7:09 a.m.

gimp is jealous..

and I am too.

Maybe they need MBA's at GM to help drive restructuring?

alfadriver
alfadriver GRM+ Memberand New Reader
7/17/08 7:23 a.m.
Jensenman wrote: Yeah, our emissions laws are a PITA... but I have to admit I'd rather breathe here than in London. You diesel engineer boys need to tighten up yer act, ignorant. Get the stinky out of the exhaust, why don'cha?

.

Or Brussels. Or Paris. Or Madrid. Or Barcelona. Or Rome. etc, etc. etc.

No, our emission laws rock. We happen to value health- without people, global warming is a mute point.

BTW, ignorant, diesels are coming, but not fast, and not many. Expensive, and complicated, for sure. If diesel cars sell 1000% more this year, it's still insignificant.

Eric

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/17/08 2:26 p.m.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/17/in-the-name-of-faith-gm-dealers-buy-1m-in-gm-stock/

16% stock increase ;)

Moparman
Moparman New Reader
7/18/08 8:15 p.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: I'm not saying they killed the neon for the nitro, only that they killed it and now are filling their lots (and production lines) with this beast instead. Not that I have any love for the Calibre, either. You'd think if only for CAFE reasons Chrysler would have wanted to keep one 30+mpg car around.

Strangely, of all the Mopars currenty in my stable, my wife likes her 2007 Caliber R/T the best. Not a bad car, nicelly equipped and handles nicely for a heavy car, but I don't like the CVTtransmission. Fit and finish is good, but interior materials feel cheap.

Moparman
Moparman New Reader
7/18/08 8:22 p.m.
scotaku wrote: Who seriously believes the General is going to die? I'm honestly looking at them near penny stock prices and thinking here's a chance to ride that pony right back up.

Can't divulge too much as I am a trader for a large Firm, but the General is on the brink. I it doesn't get a large investor to the tune of $2 to $5 billion, GM could file for CH XI within two years. This is not to say GM wil stop building cars, it will do so under bankruptcy protection, the same way airlines fly while bankrupt.

The credit ratings agency believe GM could file. It has a CCC debt rating. That is only two notches above D for default.

GM's entire market cap is $5 billion. Citi wrote down $7b today ($49B) during the past year. Many companies could by GM outright for a mere $5b and no one is interested.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/21/08 7:20 a.m.
Moparman wrote: GM's entire market cap is $5 billion. Citi wrote down $7b today ($49B) during the past year. Many companies could by GM outright for a mere $5b and no one is interested.

No one wants to buy the management that comes with the company. It is the largest liability of the company in my opinion.

If there was a way for the company to be bought by, say, Nissan (Toyota, Tata, two Etheropians with a stick and some twine) and restuctured I could see a turn around.

The issue that they are going to have is that they STILL are releasing upmarket V8s and not expanding the 40+ mpg options.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=129426

Strizzo
Strizzo Dork
7/21/08 10:10 a.m.

all cts' with the exception of the V are v6, and get close to 30mpg highway. also one might argue that like merc, a lot of the people that buy a 50k+ car aren't worried about gas prices so much

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
7/21/08 10:34 a.m.
Moparman wrote:
scotaku wrote: Who seriously believes the General is going to die? I'm honestly looking at them near penny stock prices and thinking here's a chance to ride that pony right back up.
The credit ratings agency believe GM could file. It has a CCC debt rating. That is only two notches above D for default. GM's entire market cap is $5 billion. Citi wrote down $7b today ($49B) during the past year. Many companies could by GM outright for a mere $5b and no one is interested.

$5B market cap. CCC debt..

Dire!

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