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Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/19/10 1:26 p.m.

I am thinking about replacing my 2004 WRX with a 2005+ Legacy, as I need a little more room in the back seat. I know that the Legacy GT is generally well loved, but I know nothing of the Legacy 3.0.

Anybody have any experience with them?

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/19/10 2:44 p.m.

IMHO the 3.0 was mostly a marketing effort so that Subaru could say that they had a 6-cylinder like everyone else. I don't recall it having any more power or other advantages compared to the Turbo-4. Not saying that it was good or bad, just different.

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/19/10 3:33 p.m.

I'd prefer the turbo 2.5L 4cyl. Subaru has a ton of experience with it (STI, WRX, Forrester, and LGT), and there's a healthy aftermarket. The 3.0 is more rare and offers less power potential. IIRC, the 3.0 also cost a ton more when new than the 2.5 turbo.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/19/10 3:43 p.m.

I like the 3-liter's immediacy, and the fact that it doesn't make boy-racer noises. (It makes flat-six noises. Much nicer)

I speak as someone who hasn't driven one in anger, though, just around town. The main problem with either engine is that it has a Legacy around it, which manages to be both huge and cramped.

JtspellS
JtspellS Reader
9/19/10 4:49 p.m.

No timing belt is the only difference that i know of (at least the SVX 6 did not have one)

DaveEstey
DaveEstey Reader
9/19/10 7:18 p.m.

In reply to Knurled:

My GT put down 230lb ft of torque at 2700rpm at the wheels when I last had it on the dyno.

irish44j
irish44j HalfDork
9/19/10 7:50 p.m.

get an 08+ wrx.....same amount of backseat room as pre-2010 Legacys....quite a bit more than your wrx.

08s you can find pretty cheap since they're black sheep. Of course if you want the moar powah....go 09+

Plus they don't have the boy-racer look.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/19/10 8:19 p.m.
DaveEstey wrote: In reply to Knurled: My GT put down 230lb ft of torque at 2700rpm at the wheels when I last had it on the dyno.

That's great, but how responsive is it at part throttle when you're just driving around? That's the kind of immediacy I'm talking about.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/19/10 9:12 p.m.

Was the 3.0 available with a stick?

DaveEstey
DaveEstey Reader
9/19/10 10:00 p.m.

In reply to Knurled:

Stock response isn't incredible. A Cobb stage 1 retune makes a world of difference though. Seems Subaru could have spent a little more time on the fuel maps.

Mine is an 05 so it has the EJ257, same engine as the STi. 07 they switched to the EJ255 so I can't comment on them.

rogerbvonceg
rogerbvonceg Reader
9/20/10 12:13 p.m.
Woody wrote: Was the 3.0 available with a stick?

I don't think so...last I checked. The GT was definitely marketed as the sportier offering. Now, a turbo'd 3.0 mated to the 6-speed manual...

NGTD
NGTD HalfDork
9/20/10 12:13 p.m.

Auto only.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Dork
9/20/10 2:14 p.m.

3.0 only came in front of an automatic. My mother has one in her Outback, and it's surprisingly quick. I've never driven a 2.5 turbo car, so I can't speak to the comparison, but the numbers would indicate that the 3.0 is considerably more torquey, though I'd imagine the 2.5T would be more miserly with fuel (the 3.0 does require premium).

irish44j
irish44j HalfDork
9/20/10 6:02 p.m.

In reply to ReverendDexter:

IIRC, the 2.5T's all require premium as well. At least my WRX does and my buddy's 05 LGT wagon does. And "miserly" is not a word I would use about mine.....about the same mileage I got with the 3.0 V6 in my old Maxima, if not worse.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/20/10 6:37 p.m.

My 2.0 Turbo WRX requires premium (no big deal) and gets 23.5 MPG on every tankful.

Hocrest
Hocrest Reader
9/20/10 6:45 p.m.
JtspellS wrote: No timing belt is the only difference that i know of (at least the SVX 6 did not have one)

The 3.3 6 cyl in the SVX has a timing belt. The newer 3.0 and larger 6's have a timing chain.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
9/20/10 6:55 p.m.
Woody wrote: My 2.0 Turbo WRX requires premium (no big deal) and gets 23.5 MPG on *every* tankful.

uggh.. Well strike them off my list. I got a 45 mile each way commute and it sure is hard to move from a crap ass civic with 40+mpg to that.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/20/10 7:32 p.m.
ignorant wrote: uggh.. Well strike them off my list. I got a 45 mile each way commute and it sure is hard to move from a crap ass civic with 40+mpg to that.

That's what I did. I saved enough fuel with 12 years of Civic Si ownership that I figured I'd earned myself a guzzler.

DaveEstey
DaveEstey Reader
9/20/10 9:39 p.m.

I average 26-27mpg in my GT.

clutchsmoke
clutchsmoke New Reader
9/20/10 10:39 p.m.
dj06482 wrote: I'd prefer the turbo 2.5L 4cyl. Subaru has a ton of experience with it (STI, WRX, Forrester, and LGT), and there's a healthy aftermarket. The 3.0 is more rare and offers less power potential. IIRC, the 3.0 also cost a ton more when new than the 2.5 turbo.

The 2.5 is tried and true. H6 is only offered with an auto.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Dork
9/21/10 8:59 a.m.
irish44j wrote: IIRC, the 2.5T's all require premium as well.

My apologies, I wasn't trying to imply elsewise - just state that the 3.0 also requires premium. You know, for those people that can't do math and think premium gas is the undoing of all their finances

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 Reader
9/21/10 9:34 a.m.

Trying to find a GT manual is quite difficult. Just spent an hour looking at autotrader and cars.com for a legacy gt wagon manual: Rocking Horse Poo.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/21/10 9:37 a.m.

They stopped making 5 speed wagons after 2005.

rogerbvonceg
rogerbvonceg Reader
9/21/10 12:09 p.m.

2008

2.5 GT: 243 hp@6000 RPM, 241 Ft/lbs@3600 RPM, EPA MPG 20/27 3.0R: 245 hp@6600RPM, 215 Ft/lbs@4200 RPM, EPA MPG 17/24

GT FTW.

PeterAK
PeterAK Dork
9/22/10 3:55 p.m.
Teh E36 M3 wrote: Trying to find a GT manual is quite difficult. Just spent an hour looking at autotrader and cars.com for a legacy gt wagon manual: Rocking Horse Poo.

Truth. 2005 was the first year of the 2.5 turbo in the GT and the last year of the wagon with a 5 speed. Be patient if that's the car you want. But it's worth it!

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