Per Schroeder
Per Schroeder PowerDork
9/18/20 8:36 a.m.

[Editor's Note: This article originally ran in the December 2012 issue of Grassroots Motorsports.]


The ancient Hebrew story of David versus Goliath is a parable used to illustrate how the little guy—if cunning and agile—can triumph over the big oppressor. Of course, the modern version of this Biblical classic involves a whole lot less beheading, vengeance and wrath, but …

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mr2s2000elise SuperDork
9/18/20 8:56 a.m.

Great article 


seems the mustang whoopedthe fiat at every test you threw at it 


Javelin (Forum Supporter)
Javelin (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/18/20 9:29 a.m.

Per's back?!?

P3PPY GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/18/20 10:08 a.m.

Very neat article, takes the wind out of the sails of "yeah but my car can handle."

Might I clarify the first sentence, however. A reading of the text of David v. Goliath -- as we are *presented* with it  (as opposed to how we might with atheistic goggles interpret the unlikely event) -- reveals that the ACTUAL illustration is that YHWH ("God") is David's protector, despite the odds, NOT that being cunning and nimble is David's rescuer.

Per New Reader
9/18/20 10:11 a.m.

No, but man, I can still smell those GT500 brakes.  Holy crap were they toast after a few laps.  

solfly Dork
9/18/20 10:50 a.m.
9/18/20 3:28 p.m.

The Fiat HP/Torque plot looks off, the HP and Torque curves should cross at 5,252.

There was a Fiat 500 at one the 25 Hours of Thuderhill endurance race around 10 years ago.  With sticky tires, it fell over on the track by itself, just landed on it's side after going through a fast corner.  If you want a small, fun car, Miata Is Always The Answer.


9/21/20 10:17 a.m.

My Abarth is a hoot in the dirt...

Jerry UberDork
9/21/20 1:13 p.m.

(Looking at his shoes, kicking a small rock across the lot) "I still like my Abarth".

DirtyBird222 UberDork
9/21/20 1:20 p.m.
Javelin (Forum Supporter) said:

Per's back?!?

My thoughts too

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
9/21/20 1:23 p.m.

In reply to Jerry :

Don't worry, I'm with you on this one. I think if I was lead into a room and told to pick one, I'd probably go for the Abarth.

That may be because I was raised on smaller Japanese imports, but still, Abarth all the way.

P3PPY GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/21/20 1:34 p.m.

In reply to Lightfoot :

that is a FANTASTIC picture!

Vigo (Forum Supporter)
Vigo (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/21/20 2:27 p.m.

The Abarth is one of several cars i had the perhaps bad fortune of running against in a basically stock SOHC neon and losing most of my interest in after realizing it wasn't really better than that in anything but perhaps personality and cachet. Not that i don't value personality!!

On the other hand, GT500s stand well apart from pretty much everything that ISNT a 'very fast musclecar' and that hasn't changed with the march of time, even for the oldest 2007 models.  I don't care particularly much about most Mustangs but all the modern GT500s are awesome cars to me. 

I would certainly be interested in an Abarth-itated 500e, as long as i didn't have to pay that much for it. 

flistener New Reader
11/3/22 8:16 p.m.

So, if I'm hauling New Goliath around the autocross as a hobby, how much more will I be spending on rubber for a season of fun compared to David? All that mass energy has to go somewhere.....

kb58 UltraDork
11/3/22 8:24 p.m.

"A lot." I used to autocross a Datsun 1200, and tires and brakes lasted forever. I drove my then-new LS1 Z28 in ONE autocross practice event, and from my math, consumed $500 worth of tire life. No smoky burnouts, no lurid slides, just a lot of weight. Never did that again.

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) UltimaDork
11/3/22 8:24 p.m.

In reply to flistener :

I used to race a VW Gti and was thinking of getting a Vette until I compared notes with a friend who did. His tire and brake pad bill turned me off that idea quickly. I switched to a SpecMiata.

DaleCarter GRM+ Memberand New Reader
1/16/23 11:54 p.m.

So spending almost 2.5x gets you a better performing car? Who knew? hahahaha


Anyone who takes a car to the track without upgrading the pads is doing it wrong. Ask me what happens to the pads, and rotors, on a 2022 C8 Z51 after one track weekend.....

The spending doesn't stop there... price consumables like tires and brake pads.... now insurance... gas is obvious....

I love BOTH of these cars :-)

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