Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa UltraDork
1/19/21 10:40 a.m.
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter)
BoxheadTim (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/19/21 11:51 a.m.

Read somewhere else that there were also some cheap cars that might have been lost in that fire. Cheap like a Porsche 959 and Alfa Romeo 8C.

TurnerX19
TurnerX19 SuperDork
1/19/21 1:09 p.m.

I just watched the 2 minute intro video. Yes to Alfa8C, Veritas or AFN formula 2 car. Ferrari 275 GTB several Porsches, no 959 in the video. And a whole lot of very special early bikes, like a Flying Merkel. Lots of USA made stuff.

Shadeux (Forum Supporter)
Shadeux (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/19/21 1:12 p.m.

I don't see any sprinklers.

Sucks.

 

pinchvalve (Forum Supporter)
pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/19/21 1:13 p.m.

That's very sad, amazed that they did not have a powerful sprinkler system with all that wood and priceless iron.

Placemotorsports
Placemotorsports GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/21 1:23 p.m.

Not good at all, insurance disaster

Duke
Duke MegaDork
1/19/21 1:36 p.m.
Shadeux (Forum Supporter) said:

I don't see any sprinklers.

Sucks.

Reggie Jackson lost a huge collection of rare and valuable cars that way.

If you're rich enough to have a collection like that, you're rich enough to spend a few extra bucks on a fire protection system.  That's not the place to cheap out.

 

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia SuperDork
1/19/21 1:36 p.m.

I am sending this link to a buddy with too many nice cars ......

What would you use  in a space that large to keep the damage confined to certain areas ?

Automatic doors between areas or ??????

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
1/19/21 1:37 p.m.

England's National motorcycle museum burned down 17 years ago -  no sprinklers either. 

jharry3
jharry3 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
1/19/21 1:51 p.m.
californiamilleghia said:

I am sending this link to a buddy with too many nice cars ......

What would you use  in a space that large to keep the damage confined to certain areas ?

Automatic doors between areas or ??????

AFFF system.  Like are used in airplane hangers.  Basically floods the area with foam.

In reply to californiamilleghia :

Self closing fire doors in fire walls. As soon as the alarm goes off the hold opens drop and the doors close and latch. That in itself won't stop the fire but it will confine it and give firefighters time to save something. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/19/21 1:58 p.m.

I'm pretty sure they'd be required to have a sprinkler system here in the US. I know we had to fit one to our warehouse when we brought it up to code. We even had to pay to have a larger water main installed in the area.

The concept of self closing and latching fire doors makes me a little concerned in a museum that might have people in it!

RossD
RossD MegaDork
1/19/21 2:02 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

They still have the bar across the door so if you run into it, it opens just like normal; no locking mechanism other than the catch.

The hold open mechanism is the one that releases at a fire alarm.

WonkoTheSane (FS)
WonkoTheSane (FS) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/19/21 2:18 p.m.
RossD said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

They still have the bar across the door so if you run into it, it opens just like normal; no locking mechanism other than the catch.

The hold open mechanism is the one that releases at a fire alarm.

Yeah, we have those in our corporate offices.. If the fire alarm goes off, the magnetic latch that holds the doors open lets go and it closes, but it's still a normal door.

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa UltraDork
1/19/21 2:27 p.m.
californiamilleghia said:

I am sending this link to a buddy with too many nice cars ......

What would you use  in a space that large to keep the damage confined to certain areas ?

Automatic doors between areas or ??????

Not a wood building, for one.  The open concept is nice, but I bet it is a disaster in terms of fire prevention.

MaxC
MaxC New Reader
1/19/21 4:01 p.m.

I design fire sprinkler systems for a living.  My first thought is frustration that a structure like that had no sprinkler system.  As a gearhead, my second thought is sadness. 

The lack of sprinklers was probably due to them not being required by the jurisdiction (which baffles me), but even then the building owner and architect also elected not to install them. 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
1/19/21 4:07 p.m.
Shadeux (Forum Supporter) said:

I don't see any sprinklers.

 

My dad was a fire protection engineer.  

Always the first thing out of his mouth when a fire occurs.  

mikedd969
mikedd969 Reader
1/19/21 5:43 p.m.

Awful!!  I hope the museum at Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama has fire suppression systems installed.  So many priceless, irreplaceable bikes there.  

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
1/20/21 9:22 a.m.

It's kind of amazing. My dad has a fairly significant private collection (over 100 bikes. Some with good pedigrees). Even he's got the place sprinklered -  inside and outside, since he's in California fire country. You'd think that someone with exponentially greater resources  would have state-of-the-art fire suppression.

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia SuperDork
1/20/21 10:22 a.m.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

It's kind of amazing. My dad has a fairly significant private collection (over 100 bikes. Some with good pedigrees). Even he's got the place sprinklered -  inside and outside, since he's in California fire country. You'd think that someone with exponentially greater resources  would have state-of-the-art fire suppression.

I guess we do not really know if they had a fire system that did not work correctly ,  maybe the water pipes froze in the cold  etc 

Its not something you can check without getting everything wet and damaged !

LopRacer
LopRacer Dork
1/20/21 10:24 a.m.
mikedd969 said:

Awful!!  I hope the museum at Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama has fire suppression systems installed.  So many priceless, irreplaceable bikes there.  

I would be shocked with all the money invested there if it didn't have the best sprinklers. I didn't think to look the one time I visited.

And I had couldn't help it and had to look and found some pictures from Barber which clearly show sprinkler systems.

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