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ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
10/26/24 8:47 p.m.

A canard wing aircraft is more stable than the conventional arrangement. 

Supposedly, they're very hard to stall if configured properly. 

jgrewe
jgrewe Dork
10/26/24 10:25 p.m.

There is one based at PIE (St Pete/CLW airport). I hear it go over on the ILS all the time. Even on final it sounds like a Mazda 4 rotor screaming by overhead.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden UberDork
10/28/24 1:55 a.m.

402 knots cruising speed.

flyin_viata
flyin_viata GRM+ Memberand New Reader
10/28/24 7:09 a.m.

Like many Italian machines, the Avanti looks fantastic and is fast but is also extremely expensive/intensive to maintain operating reliably.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
10/28/24 9:23 a.m.
lotusseven7 (Forum Supporter) said:

They make a very unusual, un-airplane-like sound. A friend has a house in Naples, FL and they fly overhead. The locals tried to get them banned from that airport due to noise pollution. 

Ever hear the sound that an old two stroke Vespa makes?

BenB
BenB HalfDork
10/28/24 9:37 a.m.

In reply to triumph7 :

The Falco is a pretty airplane. A guy at the local airport had one back in the 90s. Photos don't it justice. I would've loved to have flown it.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden UberDork
10/28/24 12:15 p.m.

Late 90s early 2000s there were two of them based in the hangar where I was the chief pilot. I always volunteered to fly copilot someday when their co-pilots were unavailable. Unfortunately that never happened. I also know of some guys in Tulsa that maintain them and say they are a lot of work and they earn a lot of money working on them

mfennell
mfennell HalfDork
10/28/24 1:43 p.m.
pilotbraden said:

402 knots cruising speed.

yeah, they are really fast, especially considering the fuel burn.  Apparently the cabin is extremely comfortable too.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
10/28/24 1:55 p.m.
ShawnG said:

A canard wing aircraft is more stable than the conventional arrangement. 

Supposedly, they're very hard to stall if configured properly. 

Depending on how you look at it, yes and no.

A main wing stall (should be) almost impossible in a canard design, but if they do happen, it's generally REALLY bad.  The primary feature of canard design though is that the canard stalls very easily, but most importantly, very gently (being small and narrow helps a lot there), so when the plane gets too slow, the canard starts to stall and the plane just mushes (nose slowing goes down).

I did ask one of the first employees for Rutan (LongEZ etc), why Rutan seems to be obsessed with canard.  He said it was for safety.

The Italian WWII design were interesting.  Not particularly pretty... but not French or anything (!). They did seem to be stuck on open cockpits for a lot longer then most.  Must have been the weather, or the hair.  This is a 1939 design (Spitfires were 1938).  The high position and open cockpit had to make for some great pilot visibility though! 

Italian Fighter Planes of WW2 - Aero Corner

pilotbraden
pilotbraden UberDork
10/28/24 3:40 p.m.

Macchi MC202 was a rather advanced world war 2 design

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