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curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/21/16 9:45 p.m.

My new F150 has the tailgate with a lock. I bought it knowing that the tailgate had been replaced and therefore the ignition key doesn't work to lock it.

What is the best way to make it work? I know that re-pinning a tumbler is a PITA. I could probably order a new one from Ford for $200, but who knows if the doors and ignition are the same ones from the factory?

I could originate a new key from the tailgate's lock, but then I would have to have two big clunky Ford keys on my keyring.

Suggestions?

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Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
1/21/16 9:55 p.m.

Order a tumbler from vin, or take the tumbler out and give it to a locksmith to have it coded to your key.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/21/16 10:25 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote: Order a tumbler from vin, or take the tumbler out and give it to a locksmith to have it coded to your key.

Two locksmiths told me that would cost about $125.

oldopelguy
oldopelguy UltraDork
1/22/16 12:59 a.m.

Take lock out, remove tumblers or pins, reinstall whichever pins or tumblers work with your ignition key and leave the rest out, then reinstall lock. One or two pins is enough to keep a screwdriver from working as well as four or five, and anyone who has the tools and was planning on picking the lock would have gotten through all five anyway.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy PowerDork
1/22/16 7:06 a.m.
curtis73 wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Order a tumbler from vin, or take the tumbler out and give it to a locksmith to have it coded to your key.
Two locksmiths told me that would cost about $125.

Around here, if you take the tumbler to them, its about $35. Canadian.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad SuperDork
1/22/16 8:05 a.m.

Hmm. I don't do a lot of vehicle locks. But a couple years ago I had to replace the lock cylinder in a Ranger. Simple wafer lock in reality.

The most GRM solution is what oldopelguy said. Take out the tailgate cylinder, use good/working key, and use as many of the wafers as you can to engage the cylinder. You'll see some wafers sticking up and some poking down. The goal is to get them all flush. You can even use a file to knock down high wafers (with the key in place.

KyAllroad
KyAllroad SuperDork
1/22/16 8:10 a.m.

It will start looking like this:

<img src=" photo image_zps6g6i3jx5.jpg" />

And end up looking more like this. With all the wafers hidden inside the cylinder.

<img src=" photo image_zpsimsos4lv.jpg" />

(Ignore the last one in this picture, it's not actually a lock wafer but rather a keeper that prevents the cylinder from falling out of the cabinet, it was the nearest example to hand)

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/22/16 8:51 a.m.

Try the dealer. When I worked in parts (GM) we would sell new lock cylinders and assemble them to match the key code for the VIN. It only cost as much as the price of the new cylinder unless you had the service department do the labor replacing it.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/22/16 6:52 p.m.
Streetwiseguy wrote:
curtis73 wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Order a tumbler from vin, or take the tumbler out and give it to a locksmith to have it coded to your key.
Two locksmiths told me that would cost about $125.
Around here, if you take the tumbler to them, its about $35. Canadian.

I have to shop hard just to get a key originated for that price.

BrokenYugo
BrokenYugo UltimaDork
1/22/16 9:57 p.m.

I can believe $125 to rekey a tailgate, if that includes R&R of the tailgate and lock cylinder, at your house.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper UltimaDork
1/23/16 7:42 a.m.

Pop the lock, rearrange a few of the pins to work with your key, reinstall.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/23/16 8:28 a.m.

I guess it can't hurt to let my fat fingers give it a shot. It doesn't work now, so the worst that will happen is it won't work when I'm done.

patgizz
patgizz GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/23/16 11:37 a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX2AH9-isPA

might help

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand Mod Squad
1/23/16 11:41 a.m.
curtis73 wrote: I guess it can't hurt to let my fat fingers give it a shot. It doesn't work now, so the worst that will happen is it will be on fire when I'm done.

Fixed that for you.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/23/16 1:22 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote:
curtis73 wrote: I guess it can't hurt to let my fat fingers give it a shot. It doesn't work now, so the worst that will happen is it will be on fire when I'm done.
Fixed that for you.

Bwahaha...pwned by ECM.

curtis73
curtis73 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
1/23/16 2:07 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote:
curtis73 wrote: I guess it can't hurt to let my fat fingers give it a shot. It doesn't work now, so the worst that will happen is it will be on fire when I'm done.
Fixed that for you.

I laughed out loud at that. berkeleyer.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/23/16 2:44 p.m.

Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter)
Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/22/21 7:40 a.m.

Ford will sell you a tumbler that is matched to your key. 

Saron81
Saron81 HalfDork
4/22/21 7:42 a.m.

The replacement lock cylinder from Ford will come as a kit that needs to be assembled to your current key. Just build it to match your ignition key. I build all of the lock cylinders for our dealership. I'll do it for you if you want to ship it to MD. 

Larry91
Larry91 New Reader
4/22/21 10:01 a.m.

Typically, a key with a plastic cover on the top and/or was manufactured after 2000 is a key with a chip and needs to be programmed. Therefore, if you lose your Ford chip key, the new key will need to be programmed locally to start the car. If you want to do it yourself, you can look at the site with locksmiths tips https://www.howtobecomealocksmith.org/best-security-cameras/. A couple of times, their advice helped me out. As for the key, I recommend ordering the key programming service from an authorized dealer, but you will have to tow your car to the dealership for this.

SVreX (Forum Supporter)
SVreX (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/22/21 11:02 a.m.

This thread...

"$200 from Ford wouldn't be too bad"

"2 Locksmiths told me it would be $125!  Oh no!!"

"You can fix that thing yourself in fifteen minutes with a file!"

"I guess lighting my fat fingers on fire wouldn't be so bad!"

five years of silence... 

Then an entire flotilla of lockable canoes.

Saron81
Saron81 HalfDork
4/22/21 1:47 p.m.

Lol... I missed the 5 year gap.

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/22/21 9:30 p.m.

I mean, I did just order 10 key blanks on ebay for ~$10 since I only have one working ignition key for the Jag and I'm going to see if I can copy a few by hand. 

The local ace hardware doesn't have the old school copying machine anymore, only a vending machine-like thing that doesn't store the blank needed so apparently it won't even try. 

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/22/21 10:45 p.m.
Saron81 said:

Lol... I missed the 5 year gap.

Me too, I also didn't realize that Curtis was trying to get a key for a truck that he's replaced.

Kendall_Jones
Kendall_Jones HalfDork
4/23/21 8:51 a.m.

So, whatever happened?  We need closure!

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