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Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
2/6/24 2:30 p.m.

In reply to RevRico :

I blame you for moonshine bandits and big smo being on my pandora shuffle 

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/7/24 6:41 p.m.

Through decades of hoarding and the GRM NYG, I now own two tiny, obsolete turbochargers that are effectively identical aside from different turbine housings. And now I'm once again thinking about either putting one of them on a car I don't like or both of them on a car I do.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
2/7/24 7:09 p.m.

I think i may have too many cars and projects 

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/7/24 7:27 p.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/8/24 12:11 p.m.
Dusterbd13-michael said:

In reply to RevRico :

I blame you for moonshine bandits and big smo being on my pandora shuffle 

You're welcome. Don't forget the Lacs, Moccasin Creek, and the Jawga Boys.

I hung out with the Moonshine Bandits back in 2012 when I was still on the West Coast. Met them through the Kottonmouth Kings. My liver still has flashbacks, but I'm still loving the music. 

NickD
NickD MegaDork
2/8/24 12:46 p.m.

Any time people get talking about people who passed away or music on here, 90% of the time I have no clue who or what the berkeley you're talking about

Duke
Duke MegaDork
2/12/24 8:18 a.m.

I have less than zero interest in listening to dance music unless there is imminent probability of dancing happening.

And even then, I don't want to hear most of it.

 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
2/12/24 9:18 a.m.

In reply to Duke :

All music can be dance music if you put your mind too it. laugh

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
2/12/24 10:03 a.m.

In reply to Appleseed :

I had a French Canadian girl demonstrate that rather effectively once.

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
2/12/24 11:02 a.m.
Duke said:

I have less than zero interest in listening to dance music unless there is imminent probability of dancing happening.

And even then, I don't want to hear most of it.

I teach dancing. This confuses me because so much of music is made to be danceable. This statements cuts out the majority of some very large genres that I suspect you enjoy at least some of: Funk, Hip Hop, Blues, Swing, Klesmer, Ska, Punk, Pop...

Some of my favorite dance music includes:

  • "Superstition" by Stevie Wonder
  • "September" by Earth Wind and Fire
  • "Take Me to the River" either Al Green or Talking Heads
  • "Glory Box" by Portishead
  • "Feeling Good" by Nina Simone
  • "Tango 'til They're Sore" by Tom Waits
  • "Son of a Preacher Man" by Dusty Springfield

I could go on...

Duke
Duke MegaDork
2/12/24 1:14 p.m.

In reply to Beer Baron :

There is a fundamental difference between "danceable" music and "dance" music.

It's a rather self-referential definition, but there is music that is made to be listenable at all times, and just happens to make you want to dance when dancing is appropriate.  Most of the songs on your list fall into that category.

Then there is music that is only made to be danced to.  It has no value unless it is played at a dance, yet some people like to play it all the time.  I find that music rarely makes me want to dance, and I don't enjoy listening to it at all for general entertainment.

Lots of disco (old and new equivalent) falls into that category, among other types.  Most music played at weddings falls into this category, too.

 

tuna55
tuna55 MegaDork
2/12/24 1:25 p.m.
Duke said:

In reply to Beer Baron :

There is a fundamental difference between "danceable" music and "dance" music.

It's a rather self-referential definition, but there is music that is made to be listenable at all times, and just happens to make you want to dance when dancing is appropriate.  Most of the songs on your list fall into that category.

Then there is music that is only made to be danced to.  It has no value unless it is played at a dance, yet some people like to play it all the time.  I find that music rarely makes me want to dance, and I don't enjoy listening to it at all for general entertainment.

Lots of disco (old and new equivalent) falls into that category, among other types.  Most music played at weddings falls into this category, too.

 

The only good dance song

 

 

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
2/12/24 1:44 p.m.
Duke said:

In reply to Beer Baron :

It's a rather self-referential definition, but there is music that is made to be listenable at all times, and just happens to make you want to dance when dancing is appropriate.  Most of the songs on your list fall into that category.

"September", "Superstition", and "Feel It Still" make me want to dance when dancing is NOT appropriate...

I suspect your problem with these songs is not that they are Dance Music (literally all of Swing, Tango, and Salsa music are, by definition, dance music). The problem is that they're schlock.

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
2/12/24 3:58 p.m.

I sat down to play video games for about 20 minutes before getting up to do some chores. But then a cat sat down in my lap, so I'm stuck here playing computer games some more.

Jesse Ransom
Jesse Ransom GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/12/24 6:36 p.m.

I've been cleaning off my desk, and doing the first proper job of it, possibly ever. As in, not just getting things off the desk, recycling/trashing the recycling/trash, but actually finding a permanent home for things that need storing and processing anything that I set down to get to later.

Naturally, some random objects have surfaced. A really familiar plastic cover plate. I stared at it. I walked around the office. I looked for devices that have a sort of cord-storage well that should need a pop-off cover. I pondered. I eventually started reading molding marks off the back and plugging them into Duck Duck Go. Where I found this:

That wasn't a dead giveaway, but it was enough to give me a guess worth checking. Whereupon I turned the monitor I'm looking at right now around and put the cover back over the cable port recess.

It was satisfying, but it was somehow embarrassing that I had to get The Internet involved in finding the rear of the device at which I was already staring in order to do the search.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
2/12/24 7:51 p.m.

In reply to Duke :

It would appear that you and I have very different tastes in music. And that's ok.  That's why music rules. If you push far enough, you will find at least one song to like together.

Datsun240ZGuy
Datsun240ZGuy MegaDork
2/12/24 8:53 p.m.
NickD said:

Any time people get talking about people who passed away or music on here, 90% of the time I have no clue who or what the berkeley you're talking about

When watching the music awards shows or half time performances; I'm this guy....    

  1. Who is that guy?
  2. What happened to Alabama and Randy Owen?
  3. Can't Bob Seger sing the half time show?
  4. Where's George Strait at?
barefootcyborg5000
barefootcyborg5000 UltimaDork
2/12/24 8:53 p.m.

In reply to Appleseed :

Indeed. Rule 1- dig what you dig. Rule 2- let folks appreciate whatever appeals to them. 
Personally, I don't much care for "dancing music" but that's me. I don't expect anyone else to like the heavy stuff. Or math stuff. Or whatever. 
 

Related confession. I have a bad habit of being shiny and happy and explaining why something I don't like is "inferior". I'm getting better at catching myself, and usually can avoid it entirely, but the instinct/urge is still present. If I ever do this to anyone here, do me a favor and call me out. 
 

Other related confession. I don't get dance. My sister is bigly into ballet, and dance in general as an art form. I have never seen a dance and thought "wow, such beauty" or understood anything that was being expressed. I've tried ballroom and line and a couple other forms and find no enjoyment in it. I can appreciate the skill, talent, and dedication involved, but it does literally nothing for me and I cannot bring myself to have any real interest. I can get lost in paintings, and have been brought to tears by music and poetry, but I just do not get dance. 

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/12/24 9:49 p.m.

Minor confession: I don't dance. Never have. Never wanted to. But over the last decade or so, I have started to not hate disco. Some of it is surprisingly interesting. 

I still don't get EDM.

 

Datsun240ZGuy
Datsun240ZGuy MegaDork
2/12/24 11:16 p.m.
Datsun240ZGuy said:
NickD said:

Any time people get talking about people who passed away or music on here, 90% of the time I have no clue who or what the berkeley you're talking about

When watching the music awards shows or half time performances; I'm this guy....    

  1. Who is that guy?
  2. What happened to Alabama and Randy Owen?
  3. Can't Bob Seger sing the half time show?
  4. Where's George Strait at?

See what I'm saying?

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
2/13/24 8:39 a.m.
barefootcyborg5000 said:

Other related confession. I don't get dance. My sister is bigly into ballet, and dance in general as an art form. I have never seen a dance and thought "wow, such beauty" or understood anything that was being expressed. I've tried ballroom and line and a couple other forms and find no enjoyment in it. I can appreciate the skill, talent, and dedication involved, but it does literally nothing for me and I cannot bring myself to have any real interest. I can get lost in paintings, and have been brought to tears by music and poetry, but I just do not get dance. 

I teach social dance: Swing (Lindy and West Coast), Blues, Argentine Tango, and Fusion. I 100% understand why you do not like the styles you are talking about.

I'm very "meh" about all of those as well. I find them to be about showing off for an audience, not enjoying a dance for yourself. Even dances like West Coast Swing that are done in both Ballroom and Club settings are VERY different when done at a ballroom.

As a martial arts analogy - it's like the difference between a traditional Karate studio that teaches a bunch of katas, and a modern MMA gym that teaches you how to roll.

I dance for myself and my partner. Couple months ago had one of my best dances ever. Danced to Jeff Buckley's "Lover You Should Have Come Over" with a good friend of mine. At the climax of the song, it probably would have looked like absolute chaos from the outside. We wrapped up crying and hugging each other because we wordlessly acted out a couple fighting as their relationship disintegrated.

If you have interest in learning to dance - my suggestion is to pick a style of music that you like and speaks to you and then go to a place where people are about dancing to that: Blues, Swing, Tango, Salsa, Bachatta. If you like upbeat pop music (e.g. Michael Jackson, good disco, Funk, etc.) check out West Coast Swing. If you like lower tempo and blues-based pop (Trip Hop, Soul, etc.) look for "Fusion" or "Blues Fusion".

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
2/13/24 8:54 a.m.

Put me down on the "dancing is useless" side.  Other than horizontal folk dancing...

Peabody
Peabody MegaDork
2/13/24 9:39 a.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Put me down on the "dancing is useless" side.  Other than horizontal folk dancing...

There is a use case for some types of dancing. When you're at the club, the moves are made on the dance floor, it's a means to an end.

As for those dance shows, and dance as an art form, I've oft referred to them as the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

One of my buddies has two sons that are professional dancers. Even though I think he probably agrees with me, I've almost let that slip a few times.

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
2/13/24 9:59 a.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Put me down on the "dancing is useless" side.  Other than horizontal folk dancing...

So is driving a car around cones in a parking lot.

Dance is hardly useless. Watch people doing a haka. It's a powerful way to test and demonstrate physical ability and coordination. It forms, practices, and displays that all those people are one group - a single cohesive unit, capable of moving in perfect harmony and coordination towards a single, shared goal... and exactly what that goal is. That's powerful.

As for that horizontal folk dance... yeah, I'm incredibly practiced at reading the small non-verbal cues of a partner what mood she's in, and what she's enjoying. I can amplify that. I can communicate exactly where and how I want her to move, and direct her that way without forcing or manhandling her. She can close her eyes and drift away while I spin her through a constantly-moving crowd of people jam packed together.

My dance skills are... highly transferrable.

It's also a universal language. Several years back, our next door neighbor was Beninese. He invited us to Thanksgiving dinner at a friend's house. His wife and the two of us were the only white people there. Everyone else was from Benine and maybe Nigeria. Different cultures. But they had music on, and all the guys gathered in a circle and were dancing together. Because I could dance (and well), that made me part of that group.

barefootcyborg5000
barefootcyborg5000 UltimaDork
2/13/24 10:00 a.m.

Now folks, let's not be dismissive. It IS an art. Just the same as any other performance art. I wouldn't expect the masses to line up to watch a jazz drummer, or shred guitarist. Dance just is lost on me. 

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