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bastomatic
bastomatic Dork
7/17/08 11:18 a.m.

Know what Chevy needs? A Cobalt hatch. We'd buy a Cobalt if it weren't coupe/sedan only. Alternatively, I'd love to buy the new OpelSaturn Astra if it were Cobalt priced.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 Reader
7/17/08 12:29 p.m.

"Who made who? Who made you?"

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand New Reader
7/17/08 12:42 p.m.

Does the fact that both of my cars were built in Japan and bought used make me a bad person? In my defense, at lease one of them was designed right here in California.

Mental
Mental SuperDork
7/17/08 4:23 p.m.

I love that GM and Ford are only called American compnaies in America. In the rest of the world they present themselves as a global car compnay.

yo vanilla
yo vanilla New Reader
7/17/08 4:54 p.m.
Chris_V wrote:
ClemSparks wrote: To be fair...all profit from those cars goes back home to Japan.
Actually a lot of the "profit" goes into spending to increase the infrastructure in the US, building more plants or upgrading what's here. Just like for a number of years, the "profits" from Ford and GM went into buying foreign manufacturers, so that "profit" money flowed out of country. For example, 2.9 billion dollars of Ford "profit" went straight to BMW in exchange for Land Rover. They just got a bit of that back, but you couldn't say that that "profit" actually was spent in, or benefitted America as a nation at all.

This is the same argument I've been using for a long time... and here in the midwest the subject comes up often enough. Toyota must be spending the most money here in the US (of the Asian makers), employing Americans in well-paying manufacturing jobs. And even though they are cutting production at multiple plants (very soon), they are keeping the staff on the payroll until production rolls again.

Meanwhile GM, granted they are in a bigger pickle than just manufacturing costs, is planning to cut thousands of American jobs soon. And then like you said, Ford sunk billions outside the country into the PAG group; look how that ended.

The Asian makes (and Germans, too) employ ALOT of Americans with real, viable stable jobs and good paychecks and that absolutely benefits America. Is it more important to the naysayers that GM shareholders get rich, or that their neighbor has a solid job?

z31maniac
z31maniac HalfDork
7/17/08 5:28 p.m.
Nashco wrote: My highly biased opinion says I don't mind letting Canadians and Mexicans build stuff to remain competitive compared to building it here in the US but designing it in Japan or India or whatever.

This logic is flawed.

You're basically saying, Its OK to outsource jobs as long as you don't outsource mine.

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