Acura announces Integra Type S for 2024

Colin
By Colin Wood
Dec 5, 2022 | Acura, Honda, type s, Integra, Integra Type S

Photography Courtesy Acura

Is the fabled Acura Type R making a return? Acura today announced that “a high-performance Integra Type S” is currently in the works.

Details are scarce, but Acura does tell us that the Integra Type S will be powered by a “high-revving,” turbocharged, 2.0-liter engine good over 300 horsepower. A six-speed manual and a limited-slip differential are also confirmed as standard.

Look for the Acura Integra Type S to join the Acura lineup in the summer of 2024.

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Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
12/5/22 9:21 a.m.

At this point, I would have been more surprised in Acura said they weren't going to be making a Type S version of the Integra.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/5/22 9:36 a.m.

Color me intrigued. 

kevinatfms
kevinatfms GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/5/22 9:46 a.m.

So a totted up Civic Type R for an extra $15,000? Then another $30,000 for dealer mark up?

No thanks.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand UberDork
12/5/22 11:30 a.m.

I think they will price themselves out of the market with this one. Given the CTR is $44K + TTL w/o any market adjustments, I couldn't see this at less than $48-50K range. That starts to get into some serious cars. 

It's interesting to have it back but it really needs to be out performing it's Honda twin for the type of cash they are asking. 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
12/5/22 11:42 a.m.

In reply to bmw88rider :

I really want to like the new Integra and I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I think you summed it up pretty well.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/5/22 11:52 a.m.

In reply to bmw88rider :

and when the competition is releasing competitors that are its equal a $34k its a no-brainer. 

TGMF
TGMF HalfDork
12/5/22 12:31 p.m.

Im puzzled how they are going to price this. I was shocked at the CTR's 45k tag a full 10k more than the previous gen, and 15 k more than the SI. There's no room to go up much higher. The civic is already dangerously close to the price of a Camaro SS 1LE  or track pack mustang... I know what I'd pick. 

Who's really going to pony up the change for a Integra S ?  CTR at 39k and the Integra at 45 would have made sense. 50- 55k, this thing is DOA.   

 

roughly 45K will put you in a IS350, looks like 58k will seat you in a IS500, or a number of other sport sedans from BMW or Merc with Rear wheel drive and more firepower. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
12/5/22 1:09 p.m.

Ooof.  Yeah this price tag is a bit nutty.

 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
12/5/22 1:13 p.m.

^You can get a 1SS LE with no extra options for like $47k, if you wanted to order it that way.  

bmw88rider said:

I think they will price themselves out of the market with this one. Given the CTR is $44K + TTL w/o any market adjustments, I couldn't see this at less than $48-50K range. That starts to get into some serious cars. 

It's interesting to have it back but it really needs to be out performing it's Honda twin for the type of cash they are asking. 

This doesn't even bring up the fact that's it a really ugly/boring looking car. 

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
12/5/22 1:21 p.m.

Badge engineering is different than it was 30 years ago, when people generally didnt cross-shop Honda against Acura. I would argue that they would have sold a lot more of the original ITR if it was a Civic sold at the Honda dealership rather than trying to move a purebred sports car out of a luxury dealership. The whole thing makes me wonder if brands like Acura, Lexus, Infiniti even need to exist any more, or what they even mean. 

msterbeau
msterbeau Reader
12/5/22 1:26 p.m.

Arguably better looking than the CTR.  We'll see next year what the numbers are and if they make any sense.  It may be that these sell with little to no markup which might make them effectively cheaper than the CTR - depending on who you're buying it from. 

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand UberDork
12/5/22 2:15 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

Same here Colin. I've owned every generation of the Integra/RSX up to now and current DD a 2001 GSR sedan. I drove a new one a few weeks ago and left feeling that was the most expensive interior upgrade ever. I didn't see at all where the almost 8K went TBH. This just looks like the same deal. A fancier CTR from the pre-launch teasers. 

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
12/5/22 3:23 p.m.

I would hardly call the K20C1 a "high revver." 

I agree with the hive, this is going to be close to a $60k car without markups. There are many better options and I can't see what they can add on top of the Type R that will warrant the upmarket costs. 

BA5
BA5 GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/5/22 5:00 p.m.

That lead photo makes it look pretty darn good.

 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
12/5/22 5:28 p.m.

In reply to TGMF :

I wonder if I'd enjoy a lower end Camaro SS rather than these over sticker priced cars?  Would I like the old muscle car over the newer CTR while saving $10,000+?  

Couple of issues: dealers don't have to honor the employee discount.  You'll be challenged to find one.  (Chevy guy in Dearborn, MI will)  How long for Chevrolet to build this?  

Recently GRM had a guy buy a new Mustang only to not like the bulk and size of it.  Is that going to be me?

If I was going cheap I would add the white stripe (cause Dazed&Confused Chevelle), different wheels and the knee pad.  
 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
12/5/22 5:37 p.m.

 

Byrneon27
Byrneon27 GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/5/22 9:19 p.m.

There's a hard line assumption here that any desirable car can be purchased at sticker... 

Our resident Integra fan boy here and basically the target market for this vehicle and I'm not really interested. This Integra just simply missed the point as it turns out the embossed bumper badge wasn't what made the last one so special 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
12/6/22 5:55 a.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

Same price the elantra N is available as well. Still a smaller economical car with all the Rio snorty silliness any inner 12 year old loves. 

RadBarchetta
RadBarchetta New Reader
12/6/22 8:17 a.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

Badge engineering is different than it was 30 years ago, when people generally didnt cross-shop Honda against Acura. I would argue that they would have sold a lot more of the original ITR if it was a Civic sold at the Honda dealership rather than trying to move a purebred sports car out of a luxury dealership. The whole thing makes me wonder if brands like Acura, Lexus, Infiniti even need to exist any more, or what they even mean. 

That's a good point. All these brands trying to "move upmarket" to justify higher prices are getting dangerously close to their traditional luxury counterparts.

BA5
BA5 GRM+ Memberand Reader
12/6/22 8:25 a.m.

Eh, the vast majority of the car buying public still doesn't know or care that Lexus/Acura/Infiniti/etc. are just the luxury arm of other brands.

j_tso
j_tso HalfDork
12/6/22 8:33 a.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

The whole thing makes me wonder if brands like Acura, Lexus, Infiniti even need to exist any more, or what they even mean. 

It's not just the cars that define the premium brand but also the dealership experience. Never been to an Acura, but comparing a Lexus dealer to Toyota is like Macy's to Walmart. 

calteg
calteg SuperDork
12/6/22 10:02 a.m.

A few statistics to chew on:

Less than 15% of the U.S. population can drive stick shift

That 15% is heavily comprised of Boomers, who are approaching retirement or already retired.

 

How many of those who can drive manual trans

a) Actually want to row their own

b) Are able to drop $60k on a vehicle as they near retirement

c) Care about Acura?

I predict very sluggish sales for the Type S. The folks that want this type of car are going to scratch the itch with the cheaper CTR long before the Acura ever drops. Acura dealers will impose significant markups, likely sell very few, and ultimately offer discounts once these things stink up the showroom long enough.

 

 

In reply to Datsun310guy:

 

The Camaro is the lightest/smallest of the modern muscle cars. That being said,  it forces a lot of ergonomic/visibility compromises. The SS in particular seems engineered as a track day weapon, but most folks who have cross shopped them seem to vastly prefer the Mustang on the street.

 

 

 

 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
12/6/22 10:11 a.m.

In reply to calteg :

I test drove an SS 1LE a few years back. Blind spot visibility is terrible. A 455 hp V8 and a stab at the throttle means anything that was in your blind spot, no longer is. devil

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/6/22 11:24 a.m.

I'm actually surprised at the lack of positive comments here. My bet is the price won't be quite as high as some are expecting, I bet Honda/Acura do not see it as a direct competitor to the civic type R so I doubt it will be priced massively higher. Also, one of the biggest complaints about the CTR is that it looks like an eighth graders wet dream. People who want that car without looking ridiculous will probably be attracted to it.  I doubt very many people in the real world would be cross shopping an Integra of any form with a Camaro. Totally different driving experiences. It's not my thing, as I prefer hatchbacks or wagons, but other than that I like it. Yes I realize it's a lift back, but designed to look like a 4 door. Finally the biggest turn off for me is three pedals, why they don't offer a two pedal version in this day and age is a mystery. Yeah, yeah, take away my enthusiast card. I just think autos have got to the point where manuals are pointless these days in 99% of cases, especially for a car like this. 

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
12/6/22 12:15 p.m.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

You make a good point about cross-shopping.

Will the Integra Type S be more than I'd be willing to pay? Probably, but for the person out there who's shopping for a modern-day Integra Type R–price probably isn't as big a concern for them.

At any rate, I'll do my best to update you all as soon as I have pricing information to share.

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/6/22 12:51 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

I would argue a decent percentage of Gen Xers can operate a manual as well.  How many of those have the funds and desire to buy one? Well... that's a different conversation.

But I tend to agree with Adrian. If selling cars is actually a goal, then making a car manual-only seems a bit short-sighted. 

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
12/6/22 1:42 p.m.
j_tso said:
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

The whole thing makes me wonder if brands like Acura, Lexus, Infiniti even need to exist any more, or what they even mean. 

It's not just the cars that define the premium brand but also the dealership experience. Never been to an Acura, but comparing a Lexus dealer to Toyota is like Macy's to Walmart. 

Most Acura dealers are just Honda dealers with the employees wearing a engineering compass logo instead of an H

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
12/6/22 2:48 p.m.

I guess the question I'd have is why would I pick an Integra Type S over a Civic Type R?  Especially given the fact that they're basically the same car but the Integra is significantly more expensive?  If the ITS is coming with the same powertrain, suspension, diff etc as the CTR, all you're getting is a different body shell and interior.  Both of which probably won't be different enough to warrant the price differential.  And if the price is as predicted, plus the dealer mark ups, that get the ITS into serious competition that I'd personally much rather buy.  Like an Audi RS3 for instance...

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/6/22 3:05 p.m.

In reply to calteg :

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

I'm Gen X, (1969) as I've said many times before, having been born in the UK I grew up believing that the only reason to own an auto was because you lacked the requisite limbs to operate a manual.  That was partly dick swinging ego laughing at silly Americans and old people, and partly because when I grew up a 100 hp car was heady stuff that only rich old farts could afford to insure.  Stick an old vacuum/rev/load controlled three speed auto behind an anemic 60-100hp 4 cyl was like crimping the exhaust down to 1/4 in and making the intake a McDonalds straw.  They sucked and were truly awful, those auto's really took away from the driving experience.  

I started to change my mind when I moved here.  First I drove some C4 Corvettes, the early ones with the awful 4+3 Doug Nash and the low power, high torque L98 engine.  I discovered the car was better, more controllable, and a hell of a lot more fun to drive with the auto.  Next was driving the then new E39 540 which was the first car I drove with a really well calibrated electronic auto.  Wow, what a revelation, for a 'non performance' car it was amazing, it did a great job of anticipating what you needed, with the right level of gear holding and also kick down to make it fun to hustle along.  Add in the increase from 3 to 4 to 5 to 6, 7, and 8 speeds along with computer control of the torque convertor and in my experience most modern auto's are far superior to manuals.  I no longer give a flying monkeys left nut about the joy of shifting.  That's great for driving your classic car down the back roads at 5/10ths, but even after that, I'm happy to go back to two pedal driving as soon as I'm in traffic.  If you're track driving, then the only thing that matters is lap times, and a third pedal will always be slower than two.

I get it that there are a small, but significant number of people who will always look down on auto's of any type (including DSG and other automated manuals) as inferior and assume ownership = lack of ability and I'm getting really really tired of it.  I and many others now prefer auto's from a driving and ownership POV and I can hold my head up high at any GRM meet up and proudly say 'I prefer auto's'  The only cars I can possibly see choosing a manual for are a Miata or Frisbee, but I'd sure as heck test drive the auto before making that decision.

I recently got my 2008 Volvo C30 back on the road after it's been sitting for three years.  That's a manual (ordered it that way for overseas delivery) and I was interested to see what I thought about going back to a manual.  Easy answer, meh, not worth it.  It's different, not better or worse, different, and sure as hell a PIA for driving in traffic.

kumbaymotherberkeleyinga and stop looking down on people for not worshiping at the alter of three pedals.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
12/6/22 3:08 p.m.
docwyte said:

I guess the question I'd have is why would I pick an Integra Type S over a Civic Type R?  Especially given the fact that they're basically the same car but the Integra is significantly more expensive?  If the ITS is coming with the same powertrain, suspension, diff etc as the CTR, all you're getting is a different body shell and interior.  Both of which probably won't be different enough to warrant the price differential.  And if the price is as predicted, plus the dealer mark ups, that get the ITS into serious competition that I'd personally much rather buy.  Like an Audi RS3 for instance...

I'm guessing the only differences we'll see are: ELS Sound System (likely the 16 speaker setup in TLX Type S), Leather seating (red, orchid, and black), and maybe ambient lighting. If it comes with the massaging seats found in the MDX Type S, well you would see me shopping that instead of the Type R LOL. 

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
12/6/22 3:16 p.m.

Hang on, just went to teh Acura site and it looks like all the 'autos' are CVT.  If that's the case, all bets are off, three pedals please.  CVT's are one of those brilliant ideas that Engineering still hasn't got to grips with for the real world.

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
12/7/22 10:04 a.m.

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

That's just not going to justify the large price differential between the two cars....

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
12/7/22 10:35 a.m.
docwyte said:

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

That's just not going to justify the large price differential between the two cars....

Yea I know. I was just saying that would be the one thing that would lure me that way due to back pains

te72
te72 HalfDork
12/11/22 1:26 a.m.

They should stick a massively oversized turbo on the thing, to bring back the spirit of the original Integra. No power until after 6k. =P

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
12/11/22 3:57 a.m.

I just want to say that I think the car itself will be awesome, but it will probably be overpriced, and 15 years from now they will probably be classed really well for auto-x and everyone on this forum will be talking about how overlooked they were when they were new.

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/11/22 7:51 a.m.
te72 said:

They should stick a massively oversized turbo on the thing, to bring back the spirit of the original Integra. No power until after 6k. =P

They'll just sell a Radwood DLC.

For $29.99 a month they'll set the ECU to cut the power until 5700 RPM and you can re live the feeling of Vtec kicking in.

It's 2022. Less is more.

te72
te72 HalfDork
12/12/22 10:16 a.m.

In reply to CrustyRedXpress :

Don't give them ideas haha. =P

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