How much would you pay for an Integra Type S?

Also worth noting? The Hyundai Elantra N starts at $32,900. (Or $34,400 if you want the dual-clutch.)

Edit:

Didn't want to forget about the VW Golf R, which starts at $44,740.

Nope.  And I work at an Acura dealer.

Without markups it would be a very worthy consideration.   

lol

Colin Wood said:

Also worth noting? The Hyundai Elantra N starts at $32,900. (Or $34,400 if you want the dual-clutch.)

This is the answer. The EN is an amazing machine and has a superior warranty.

I'm stuck in the 1990's. Civics are $20k. Integras are $28k. 

Doing a quick check online i wanted to see how much an original Type R i saw on a dealer lot back in the day costs in today's dollars. from the web assuming $1 in 1999 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $1.81 today, an increase of $0.81 over 24 years. The particular example I saw (~$26K) would be around $47K, so less than the current model, but in the same ball park. I sat in the new Integra S and while I didn't drive it I'm sure it's a great car. My personal issue is I viewed the original Type R as a one of a kind, generation special car. I feel there are currently a few hot hatches/sport compacts that compete with the current Type R as alternatives. For me, at that price I don't see myself seeking one out.

If I needed a vehicle like that, it would definitely be in consideration. 

Colin Wood said:

Also worth noting? The Hyundai Elantra N starts at $32,900. (Or $34,400 if you want the dual-clutch.)

Edit:

Didn't want to forget about the VW Golf R, which starts at $44,740.

I'd be all over the Elantra if they weren't so damn ugly. And I'm someone who doesn't nitpick aesthetics on cars... 

But I'm not sure they could make it any less attractive. It's Pontiac Aztec, PT Cruisers level of ugly for me.

z31maniac said:

If I needed a vehicle like that, it would definitely be in consideration. 

I'm curious how you would estabilish this as a need.  

If they paid me enough to cover taxes and registration I'd take it and sell it to a fanboi. Other than that? No thanks. 

I love the car - I would love to own one but at MSRP and taxes/title I'm pushing $60,000. 

I'd rather buy a truck as I have plans to wander around Canada then up to Alaska and back.  
 

pres589 (djronnebaum) said:

z31maniac said:

If I needed a vehicle like that, it would definitely be in consideration. 

I'm curious how you would estabilish this as a need.  

Like if I had kids or something of that nature, where having a 4 door would be easier. 

For that kind of jack, VW would be selling me a Golf R.  

Since I still haven't been able to buy a new Civic Si yet, I went on the Acura website today to see what it would cost to get an Integra with the same engine and transmission. The six speed is only available on the A-Spec, so that's an immediate bump of five grand over the base Integra, just to get away from the CVT.

I can't even justify the added cost of an A-Spec over a Civic Si, so forget about the Type S. 

I absolutely love Honda Civics, but there's no way that I'm spending fifty grand on an upmarket Civic.

At Step 1 of Build and Price, I was already shaking my head. And this isn't even a Type S.

Car prices are crazy. The this really nice civic is about $20k heavy IMO. 

In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :

Wait wait wait...

"Not CVT" is $5k?

That is somehow twice as severe as my incredulity at the idea of this being a $50k car, which was already pronounced.

Yea, Acura decided to only make the manual transmission available in the highest trim level Integra (before the Type S came out).  I think Mazda might do something similar with the 3, but could be mistaken.

In reply to einy (Forum Supporter) :

Probably economy of scale - they know they'll sell a lot more CVT/Auto examples than manual versions, so those manual examples need to cost more to account for the added engineering and certification costs. 

I'm in the same boat as z31maniac. I simply don't need a car like this, regardless of the price. I can barely justify my R53 MINI which essentially occupies the same usage of being an occasionally driven toy (along with my fleet of variably operational Triumphs).  Although the R53 has the added benefit of being eligible for less expensive classic car insurance. 

Jesse Ransom said:

In reply to Woody (Forum Supportum) :

Wait wait wait...

"Not CVT" is $5k?

That is somehow twice as severe as my incredulity at the idea of this being a $50k car, which was already pronounced.

That isn't really surprising if you think about the economics. As the number of stick shift drivers dwindles, it will cost more and more to offer that as an option. Already happened with the Supra

I could see the case for an "adult" version of the Civic Type R back when the CTR looked like a boy racer's anime wet dream. Now that the CTR is more sedately styled, I'm not sure what the upgrade to the Integra actually gets you.

Also worth noting: a Model 3 Performance is $53,240, there are no dealer pricing games and you get $7500 back on your taxes.

What does this Integra do that the CTR doesn't?  As far as I can tell, that extra $10k just buys you a different badge.  For $50k I'll buy a lightly used Audi RS3 instead...

If you start with the idea that a Civic Type R is priced right then I think the Integra Type S pricing is fine. Considering you can't get. Type R without a 10k markup, the Type S is not off. 

We gripe but there will be those that pay it because they "need" it. Looking at the sub $50k used market and there are a lot of cars I'd rather have than that.

In reply to GTwannaB :

What makes you think that the Integra won't also have a 10k mark up?

I really like my Si at $28k.  At $50k, I start shopping things like C7 Vettes, Supras, RS3s and all sorts of other things.  Once you consider the fuel efficiency decrease the R and Type S suddenly have a lot of competition.  Fun to drive, 30 mpg, manual transmission, and $50k has a lot more options than $30k, manual, fun to drive and 40 mpg.  

Red91sc said:

We gripe but there will be those that pay it because they "need" it. Looking at the sub $50k used market and there are a lot of cars I'd rather have than that.

Another familiar GRM trope. 

Let's compare the price of used cars to the price of new cars!

It's a fair thing to do, because the used cars are there and people really do that math. For $50k, I'd buy the i8 for sale in town instead of an Integra.

Keith Tanner said:

It's a fair thing to do, because the used cars are there and people really do that math. For $50k, I'd buy the i8 for sale in town instead of an Integra.

Friendly disagree. Comparing a 10+ year old Porsche (or i8) with no warranty, to a new Acura with a warranty and likely other perks like free oil changes and stuff............that doesn't make since to me. I guess if you're looking ONLY at price, sure. But to me, that's ignoring the entire picture.

If someone thinks it's overpriced, that's fine (and I agree it is), but everything is crazy expensive these days and most of our salaries haven't kept up. 

The warranty, parts cost - that's part of the entire picture for sure. If I have $50k to drop on a car, I'll be looking at how I'll want to spend my money - and I've spent enough time with older cars to know what life is like without a warranty and free oil changes :) Do I get an interesting car with some risk/overhead, or do I get a depreciating new car? Sometimes the new car is the right choice, sometimes it isn't. I've purchased new cars and I've purchased used cars. The new cars had to bring something to the table that the used cars could not, or vice versa.

This is all just internet blather, of course, as I wouldn't be buying an Integra Type S regardless of MSRP :) The market will have to decide if it's worth the ask. I don't think so, I don't think it's really all that special a car.

Not only is it a fair comparison, it's a very relevant comparison. At several points over the past 3 years, late models were priced over MSRP. Now that equation is starting to invert,  but it's almost on a car-by-car basis. 

Keith Tanner said:

The warranty, parts cost - that's part of the entire picture for sure. If I have $50k to drop on a car, I'll be looking at how I'll want to spend my money - and I've spent enough time with older cars to know what life is like without a warranty and free oil changes :) Do I get an interesting car with some risk/overhead, or do I get a depreciating new car? Sometimes the new car is the right choice, sometimes it isn't. I've purchased new cars and I've purchased used cars. The new cars had to bring something to the table that the used cars could not, or vice versa.

This is all just internet blather, of course, as I wouldn't be buying an Integra Type S regardless of MSRP :) The market will have to decide if it's worth the ask. I don't think so, I don't think it's really all that special a car.

Yeah, it wouldn't be worth it to me. I already made my choice with a new car. :)

But if I was a dad or needed a 4 door, I'm definitely not buying a Corolla or something like that. Boring cars are the bane of existence. For a brief time I even had a Pro-4X Frontier (the ex-wife said if I wanted another project car I need something for house duties, I ended up being offered so much money for the parts I had gathered that I abandoned the build). I would purposely go out in 2WD and try to get stuck. I'd get it stuck in 2WD, put it in 4WD, lock the rear diff and it would pull itself out with ease. And one time I buried it in mud up to the frame, it didn't even flinch. 

In reply to calteg:

Well, the comparison's that were being used in these examples weren't lightly used 1-2 year old vehicles. No 10-year old Cayman over the last 3 years was selling for more than MSRP. So I don't really think that's relevant to what I was saying. 

Right now, my biggest takeaway from this thread is that there are used i8's out there with low-mid $50K asking prices...  quite a few on Autotrader right now...  and a couple under that level... If I was in the market for another quirky car, that is definitely something to consider. 

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

Right? I only found out they were in that range when we passed a used car lot with one and I looked it up.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

the i8 also popped up on Hagerty's annual "appreciation" list, suggesting they're at or near the bottom of the depreciation curve

This is $50,800 and that's before you select the paint color you actually want for another $600? So, $51,400?

Integra Type S - Manual transmission - FWD - 320hp  / 310 lb.-ft - Turbo 4

It starts going that far north of $50k and I think about how you can get the top end TLX with the performance wheel and tire combo and your preferred paint for $57,150 MSRP

TLX Type S - 10 speed auto - SH-AWD - 355hp / 354 lb.-ft - Turbo V6

calteg said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

the i8 also popped up on Hagerty's annual "appreciation" list, suggesting they're at or near the bottom of the depreciation curve

Must be why I see YouTubers picking them up lately.

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

Right? I only found out they were in that range when we passed a used car lot with one and I looked it up.

I've already been burned by a dealer maintained, low mileage modern BMW. Can't imagine doing it again. Of course, that's just me. 

Having noted the CTR pricing befor the Type-S was even confirmed, and that the sticker was too rich for my blood, I knew the Type-S would be laughably expensive. I like it, I'd love to drive it, and even own one....but I see this car as a mid to upper 30's price range....where they were back in the day.....52k? Not a chance. Yeah yeah....factor inflation.....if salaries also factored inflation that might be a valid argument, but they don't , at least not on the scale we factor it for anything else. 

But I'm not plunking down money for a new car anytime soon (hopefully) so Acura need not fret over my opinion. I wish them well. I'll be looking for them in the 5 year old used car market. 

TGMF said:

Having noted the CTR pricing befor the Type-S was even confirmed, and that the sticker was too rich for my blood, I knew the Type-S would be laughably expensive. I like it, I'd love to drive it, and even own one....but I see this car as a mid to upper 30's price range....where they were back in the day.....52k? Not a chance. Yeah yeah....factor inflation.....if salaries also factored inflation that might be a valid argument, but they don't , at least not on the scale we factor it for anything else. 

But I'm not plunking down money for a new car anytime soon (hopefully) so Acura need not fret over my opinion. I wish them well. I'll be looking for them in the 5 year old used car market. 

I paid $25k for my 2015 BRZ Limited new, I paid $33k for my '23 BRZ Limited new. 

Things get more expensive. Not sure why the "back in the day price" seems to be a constant point of contention. It sucks, sure, but that's how inflationary money supply works. 

I'm not a potential buyer, not my type of car.

If I did need something in this segment my expectation would be around 30k.

I'm not surprised though when we w e re shopping for my wife's car we were looking under or around 65k, I thought the MDX would be a mid priced option, when I build one it was considerable over that. It quickly fell off the list of considerations

z31maniac said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

Right? I only found out they were in that range when we passed a used car lot with one and I looked it up.

I've already been burned by a dealer maintained, low mileage modern BMW. Can't imagine doing it again. Of course, that's just me. 

Oh it definitely wouldn't be a car I'd want to depend on.  I own a bunch of Triumphs as well as a MINI. Quirky and unreliable is my stock in trade. And honestly, before I bought one, I'd do research for an indie shop in the Philly area with a decent reputation for servicing them.  Besides, where else can you get modern supercar styling, relative rarity and close to modern supercar performance for well under $100K? (Vettes don't count)

Regarding the CTR vs. ITS, I would probably go for the CTR. And the previous version at that.  While I know the ITS would be a more comfortable place to be in for long periods, I have other vehicles for that requirement. I've kinda grown to like the over-the-top styling of the previous CTR. Hell... compared to current BMWs it looks kinda tame. 

Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:

z31maniac said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to Ian F (Forum Supporter) :

Right? I only found out they were in that range when we passed a used car lot with one and I looked it up.

I've already been burned by a dealer maintained, low mileage modern BMW. Can't imagine doing it again. Of course, that's just me. 

Oh it definitely wouldn't be a car I'd want to depend on.  I own a bunch of Triumphs as well as a MINI. Quirky and unreliable is my stock in trade. And honestly, before I bought one, I'd do research for an indie shop in the Philly area with a decent reputation for servicing them.  Besides, where else can you get modern supercar styling, relative rarity and close to modern supercar performance for well under $100K? (Vettes don't count)

Regarding the CTR vs. ITS, I would probably go for the CTR. And the previous version at that.  While I know the ITS would be a more comfortable place to be in for long periods, I have other vehicles for that requirement. I've kinda grown to like the over-the-top styling of the previous CTR. Hell... compared to current BMWs it looks kinda tame. 

The boy racer in me loves the over the top styling as well, even though it can be a bit garish at times. I have the GR86 premium duck tail to add on to my BRZ once I quit being afraid to drill into the stock small one.

According to my local Acura guy this is happening today.  No idea if this is real or BS.  

https://www.acura.com/cars/integra

Woody (Forum Supportum) said:

Since I still haven't been able to buy a new Civic Si yet, I went on the Acura website today to see what it would cost to get an Integra with the same engine and transmission. The six speed is only available on the A-Spec, so that's an immediate bump of five grand over the base Integra, just to get away from the CVT.

I can't even justify the added cost of an A-Spec over a Civic Si, so forget about the Type S. 

I absolutely love Honda Civics, but there's no way that I'm spending fifty grand on an upmarket Civic.

^Eating my words...

After carefully explaining to everyone why it's stupid to buy a new Acura Integra A-Spec with the six speed, I went and bought myself a new Acura Integra A-Spec with the six speed. It should be here in about three weeks. 

Keith Tanner said:

Also worth noting: a Model 3 Performance is $53,240, there are no dealer pricing games and you get $7500 back on your taxes.

Is Elon the background image on your phone? Do you have a poster of him in your shop and above your toilet? 

I bet you won't be able to find one for under $60k in most major markets.

An old co-worker of mine at the Honda dealer I worked at in college, texted me saying they have a CTR on the lot. "Cool, how much out the door?" $61k with their dealer markup and all the bullE36 M3 add-ons dealers love to throw on to fluff up the price. 

The sad thing, is that every Honda/Acura dealer operates in the same manner. I'll do on this hill but, they offer one of the worst car buying experiences, and that is coming from a die hard Honda fanboi. 

DirtyBird222 said:

Keith Tanner said:

Also worth noting: a Model 3 Performance is $53,240, there are no dealer pricing games and you get $7500 back on your taxes.

Is Elon the background image on your phone? Do you have a poster of him in your shop and above your toilet? 

Note that it is possible to appreciate a vehicle without venerating a person. I don't post about Elon, I post about cars and occasionally rockets. And weird 10 year old BMWs, apparently.

What I posted about the M3P is objectively true - and you yourself have just posted that the dealer experience and pricing games are a problem with the Honda. If you're looking for a performance sedan in that price range, you would be foolish not to take the 3 into account. What does the hopped up Civic bring to the table that the hopped up golf cart does not?

Keith Tanner said:

DirtyBird222 said:

Keith Tanner said:

Also worth noting: a Model 3 Performance is $53,240, there are no dealer pricing games and you get $7500 back on your taxes.

Is Elon the background image on your phone? Do you have a poster of him in your shop and above your toilet? 

Note that it is possible to appreciate a vehicle without venerating a person. I don't post about Elon, I post about cars and occasionally rockets. And weird 10 year old BMWs, apparently.

What I posted about the M3P is objectively true - and you yourself have just posted that the dealer experience and pricing games are a problem with the Honda. If you're looking for a performance sedan in that price range, you would be foolish not to take the 3 minto account. What does the hopped up Civic bring to the table that the hopped up golf cart does not?

I wasn't trying to make it personal, I just find the humor that you offer by managing to slip in a Tesla comment into almost any conversation. 

I'm not going to take the bait on getting into another EV vs. ICE argument. Worthy try but, I have heard plenty of first hand horror stories about Tesla service and QC. So it seems like no matter how you slice up the argument, there's a downside somewhere. Also does that M3P have a third pedal and a silky smooth shifter? 

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I talk about Miatas a lot too. That's because I mostly talk about stuff I know. I don't talk about things I know nothing about, which limits my contributions to a certain range. I also know a few things about Vanagons, old Cadillacs, old Land Rovers and other stuff, but none of them are $50k sports sedans so it didn't seem appropriate to mention them. I'm sure there's a BMW that is also a competitor, but I can't keep the current BMW model range straight so I can't say which one it is. An E39 M5 might be a really interesting option, though.

And that wasn't bait for an EV vs ICE argument. It's a legitimate question. If you're shopping that market, both cars have distinct attributes. The Tesla is a rocketship. The Honda has more pedals and a waggly lever. They use different fuels, but that's only part of it. 

Whenever I shop cars, I land on what I want and its price. Then I open up my research again to the market *in that price range*. That's often when I find there are options I hadn't considered before that are very viable and interesting. 

I think Keith is talking about that process here. If you're considering the Honda vs the Acura, why not consider something else different entirely? They're all cars. They all move our asses down the road at various velocities. When I was in high school we argued Ford vs Chevy. The argument is the same but the parameters have changed. Now, we are lucky enough to have differences in transaction experience as well. Don't care to deal with (St)Dealer antics? Go Tesla. You like a manual trans? Go Honda/Acura. I believe this to be the point Keith is making. We live in another Golden Age of horsepower, tech, and purchase options. Let's enjoy it and walk the buffet of choices a bit. 

Let's also be honest, Elon gets enough undeserved attention. Let's leave him out of a car debate. It's hard to separate a musician's personality from their music. Personally, I can't listen to Ted Nugent anymore. I mean I couldn't before he went wacko conservative but most definitely not now. Maybe we should try to apply the same rule to Elon and Tesla's? 

Yeah, that's basically it. The Tesla is a potentially interesting alternative to the Honda, and it's nowhere near as expensive as it used to be so you might not think it would be comparable. Just like "can you believe you can get an i8 for that price?" is also an interesting yet unexpected possible comparison. If 50k for an Integra is surprising, what else is surprising in that price range?

Looking around, there's also the Alfa Guilia in this bracket. Available in RWD or AWD. Is that an interesting alternative if you're looking for character? Or the Elantra N and $10k for a trip to the Nurburgring? There are some hot rod Cadillacs in this range, too. All sorts of interesting stuff. 

Was car shopping with my wife last weekend for my wife and the prices I saw for the 2023 Civic Type R was one at $75K and two at $62.3K. I don't see the Type S being available for cheaper and less marked up. That's a big "no dawg", no way I'd ever pay that for what it is. 

In reply to IKR :

And this is exactly why things like low mile C7 Z51s and other cars come into play for me.  An LS series drivetrain will easily last as long as a Honda one with good maintenance.  I really think a C6 or C7 will replace my Si in 3-5 years.

Well, shoot, I was just down the street and I might as well stop.......Elmhurst, IL Acura has a demo to test drive.  Due to my schedule I passed as it's like that first "free" line of cocaine.....

They have a demo with $12,000 worth of BS options and a $10,000 adjustment.   He told me they should get 13 more this year.  Wade Q. is super knowledgeable- work with him.  

He says I can buy one that's coming in with no options and he expects the adjustment to be less ($5-$7,000) if I read between the lines.  Pricey but it's a nice car.   

They had large Type S sedan car that was pricing out close up $70,000......maybe Accord size?  TLS?  TSX?  Sweet car.

Two interesting data points:

The first quarter of its release, the base Integra outsold the 3 series

Avg transaction price of a new car is $48,000. 

calteg said:

Two interesting data points:

The first quarter of its release, the base Integra outsold the 3 series

Avg transaction price of a new car is $48,000. 

Interesting fact. The Integra in person, is just so forgetable. I wish it had some styling cues as an homage to the past generations to include the RSX. 

I've tried to help a friend secure two seperate ones. Out the door price on both were over $75k. I can't believe people are actually paying that but I couldn't stomach that much for a hyped up Civic. 

I'm just ready for this insane markup trend to crash. I looked at an Odyssey the other day. The current generation has been around since what, 2018? Nothing stratospheric has changed on those recently. This particular Honda dealer had a $5k market adjustment on a base model Odyssey. 

I was looking at buying a car like the new Z for exmaple. Markups are so insane on everything i've been thinking of just buying a 350z and rebuilding it. 

My 1985 CRX came with all the paperwork including the original sales paperwork. It had a $1000 dealer markup - on a $7995 car. This is not a new thing.

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

I believe the Honda van is a new design.

The PT Cruiser and first VW retro Beetle had dealer markups when they came out.  

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

I'm sure they are nice but I am seeing used C7 Corvette Grand Sports and Z06s for less.  The back seats are a lot worse but the power and handling!  
 

I really do enjoy my '18 Si and I'm sure the Acura version is even better, but it will not be my next car.

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

I mentioned the total price to the sales guy and I also mentioned for those dollars I'd rather have something like a Shelby Mustang or a used Corvette.  $75,000+?

He then said I'm not a real JDM guy since a real JDM guy would pay the price. (Seriously)  So I laughed and dropped a side kick to his face. (Not really)

CX90 for that kinda coin in a heart beat...

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

The whole add on and market adjustment cons are out of control.  The fact people line up to pay them proves education is indeed compromised.

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

MSRP is not an absolute determination of value. The market determines the actual value of the product, and it can be higher or lower than MSRP. We're all good with it being lower because it makes us feel like we've scored a deal and the US automakers have been abusing that for decades, but that's just marketing.

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

MSRP is not an absolute determination of value. The market determines the actual value of the product, and it can be higher or lower than MSRP. We're all good with it being lower because it makes us feel like we've scored a deal and the US automakers have been abusing that for decades, but that's just marketing.

... assuming that the new car economy is efficient, rational and competitive when it is clearly none of those things.  What other consumer industry has laws that dictate who manufacturers are allowed to sell their products through?

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Acura isn't a US automaker :p but I get your point.  The dealers are the abusers of these tactics.  When buy a new car, it really does pay to shop around.  

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Expansion on my statement: The big three US automakers have been setting MSRP ridiculously high so they can mark it down and make consumers think they're getting a deal. It's been a long-standing marketing tactic. Other automakers don't do this quite so egregiously. 

The dealers don't set MSRP.  They get to the market price. 

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Guitar center has a perpetual 50% off sale ever holiday.  Yes it's an old tactic to provide the illusion of saving money.  The market does indeed set the price.  Like Forest's mama always said.....

This is simply not a $75k car.  You can buy an Audi RS3 for less than that and have a far better built and performing car

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

MSRP is not an absolute determination of value. The market determines the actual value of the product, and it can be higher or lower than MSRP. We're all good with it being lower because it makes us feel like we've scored a deal and the US automakers have been abusing that for decades, but that's just marketing.

... assuming that the new car economy is efficient, rational and competitive when it is clearly none of those things.  What other consumer industry has laws that dictate who manufacturers are allowed to sell their products through?

Depending on the state, liqour, beer and/or wine industries. 

My wife and I should be near the target demographic for this. We are reasonably successful professionals with no kids at home. We have owned Civic and Accord sedans. I even had a six speed, V6 Accord for a a while. A Prelude was one of my wife's favorites back in the day. Great cars, all of them. I also owned a Toyota Celica GTS for a while, a car of a  similar flavor. 

I like Hondas, and I prefer to drive manual transmissions. It seems expensive, but so does everything else. That's the reality for the time being. 

I am so glad that these were never a car I wanted.  All the kids that had these in the 90s an 2000s are making good coin and want to re live there 20s again. They will sell every one of these with all the markup and dealer adjustments.  
 

My criptonite is late 80s 911. Those cars will lead to bad decisions. Make it a wide body and the big motor.  50k will not get me close to owning one of these now.  

FWIW, a 2001 Integra Type R was $24,500k MSRP. After adjusting for inflation that's $42,313.16 in 2023 bucks.

Favorable review in the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/2024-acura-integra-type-s-review-a-throwback-with-real-mojo-c22240fa?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1

Car prices are getting crazier. I am the one who's definitely not going to pay $50K.