It’s here: The new Nissan Z. What questions do you have?

Colin
By Colin Wood
Aug 26, 2022 | Nissan, Z-car, Review, New Car Review, Nissan Z

Photograph Courtesy Nissan

Still have lingering questions about the 2023 Nissan Z? Lucky for you, one just got dropped off at GRM headquarters.

Curious how it compares to the competition, or do you just want to know how much junk can fit in the glovebox?

Whatever your question is, drop it in the comments below.

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Error404
Error404 HalfDork
8/25/22 12:38 p.m.

This is maybe the only new car that actually interests me, certainly the only one that comes to mind. I'm also definitely not in a driveway/paycheck place where I'm in the market for a new car, so this is academic for me. 

-Would you buy it? What role would it fill in your lineup, if you did? 

-Could you comfortably DD it in Central FL traffic?

-I like a car for the experience of driving, not because I want to geek out over the tech features. I like turning the key, turning the volume knob, seeing traffic with my own 2 eyes. Is the Z tech forward or experience forward? 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/25/22 1:15 p.m.

Will I really ever get one?

how's it drift?

https://japanesenostalgiccar.com/2023-nissan-z-wreck/

kaybat
kaybat New Reader
8/25/22 1:17 p.m.

Missed the stats, what does that bad Boy weigh?

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand UberDork
8/25/22 1:32 p.m.

Where does it fall in the sports car spectrum? Like in-between the old 370z and a normal Corvette?

Toyman!
Toyman! GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/25/22 1:38 p.m.

Is it better than its predecessor or just a refresh of the same old chassis?

Price as tested?

Would you spend your hard-earned dollars on one or is it just an also-ran? 

 

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/25/22 3:44 p.m.

Is there a no-frills model?

Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter)
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/25/22 5:25 p.m.

Underhood pics please.

 

Will a set of track day wheels/tires fit inside?

759NRNG
759NRNG UberDork
8/25/22 5:49 p.m.

Why are the front calipers ahead of the axle?

Mndsm
Mndsm MegaDork
8/25/22 5:52 p.m.

How many goofy electronic things does it have to break? How huge is the screen? 

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/25/22 6:14 p.m.

Why does it weigh so much? And how good a job have they done of concealing that fact? 

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
8/25/22 8:36 p.m.
Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
8/25/22 9:13 p.m.

Can I  get it straight piped from the dealer?

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
8/25/22 9:15 p.m.

Can you get enough camber with the stock suspension to keep from killing the outside edges of tires on the track?

TJL (Forum Supporter)
TJL (Forum Supporter) Dork
8/25/22 9:18 p.m.

It looks really friggin sharp in person. 

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UltraDork
8/25/22 9:20 p.m.

Face off on track against the LS 350Z?

Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter)
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
8/26/22 9:41 a.m.
BlueInGreen - Jon said:

Face off on track against the LS 350Z?

Great idea! 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/26/22 12:48 p.m.
Toyman! said:

Is it better than its predecessor or just a refresh of the same old chassis?

Price as tested?

Would you spend your hard-earned dollars on one or is it just an also-ran? 

 

Yep, it's basically a 370Z with the Infiniti engine. And the 370Z is just a refresh of the 350Z. 

So it's essentially a 20-year old chassis with more HP and different sheetmetal.  

buzzboy
buzzboy SuperDork
8/26/22 2:52 p.m.

Does it have a CDV or a straight piped clutch hose?

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
8/26/22 3:02 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

It works for Dodge. I suspect it will work for Nissan too. If that's what's required for the financial justification to keep producing sports cars, I can live with that.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/26/22 3:17 p.m.
Driven5 said:

In reply to z31maniac :

It works for Dodge. I suspect it will work for Nissan too. If that's what's required for the financial justification to keep producing sports cars, I can live with that.

Didn't say it wouldn't. Toyman just asked if it was a refresh of the existing chassis. As to the is it worth it? At $50k+, I'm spending a few k more for a Supra or the Mach 1 Mustang.

I really wanted one of these as I'm a huge Z guy, but after seeing the price/specs, etc. I decided to save $20k and buy the new BRZ. 

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
8/26/22 3:58 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

For me, specs are less important than the driving experience. What I want to know is how fun it is compared to the competition, specs be damned. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if I would take a BRZ over any of them though, regardless of price... I was super impressed by how engaging those are to drive.

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/26/22 4:02 p.m.

In reply to racerfink :

And that is why people hate dealerships.  Short term money grab over long term business model.

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/26/22 5:33 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

A possible story for GRM next year:

BRZ/86 vs Z car for all around driving experience.  Street AND track.

You heard it here first.

aongch
aongch
8/27/22 12:07 a.m.

Been a subscriber for years, keep up the good work! Basically, since you have what looks like a Performance model, my question is, what are your plans with it? What does Nissan allow or not allow as far as changes to suspension settings - camber, etc. - and tire comparisons? Tires have been the big letdown per reviews, those Bridgestones are subpar for the Z.  Thanks!

TJL (Forum Supporter)
TJL (Forum Supporter) Dork
8/27/22 7:47 a.m.

Im glad Nissan decided that a Nissan should be made by Nissan with Nissan parts.  Not just slapping their name on a car completely made by a different company that isn't up to the task. 

jimbob_racing
jimbob_racing SuperDork
8/27/22 9:11 a.m.

I don't expect the car to answer this question, but maybe someone from Nissan's press group can.

How is it that tiny Mazda can clean sheet design an excellent sports car like the Miata but a big company like Nissan reuses a 20 year old chassis and even bigger Toyota has to partner with BMW to make theirs?

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Dork
8/27/22 11:34 a.m.
jimbob_racing said:

I don't expect the car to answer this question, but maybe someone from Nissan's press group can.

How is it that tiny Mazda can clean sheet design an excellent sports car like the Miata but a big company like Nissan reuses a 20 year old chassis and even bigger Toyota has to partner with BMW to make theirs?

I think you partially answered your own question. As someone who has worked at both ends of the size spectrum, it is usually a lot easier to do "new" things faster in a small company, but often with a great risk of messing something up. Big companies with a lot of history tend to also have a lot of guardrails up around things from mistakes they have made in the past, and as new people take ownership of that ESW, it often ends up applied in ways that minimize perceived risk at the expense of everything else.

Mazda is still big enough that I wouldn't think they are much different than a Toyota or BMW, but corporate culture also counts for a lot and we have a long history of Mazda's support of amateur racing and production of the Miata that suggests they have the culture to make it work. BMW has been somewhat off the rails from an enthusiast perspective for 10+ years, and Toyota for significantly longer than that.

And reusing an old chassis or design isn't always a bad thing if it means you keep optimizing and building recognition instead of making big changes that may throw some of the good out with the bad. Lately, Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis has been capitalizing on old platforms in a pretty impressive way.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
8/27/22 1:06 p.m.

When the 240Z came out, for the price it SORT OF blew away the competition; TR6, 911, Corvette, MGB, Spitfire - you know the players back then.  

Does the new 400Z give the same vibe?  

Does it blow away the competition? Supra, Twins, Miata?

preach (dudeist priest)
preach (dudeist priest) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/27/22 1:10 p.m.

$70k dealer upcharge means I have zero interest. Not that I have ever purchased a new vehicle.

How much will the 400 sell for in 2-5 years with that much of a mark up?

Z06 C8 can be added to the never column too for the same reason.

wspohn
wspohn SuperDork
8/27/22 1:19 p.m.

They cost a fair bit (sometimes even more - one dealer doubles the price tag - https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a40850471/nissan-z-dealer-markup/  but why do they look like lumps compared to the original 240Z?

Fer Krisake hire an Italian (or other) designer to make the cars stand out from the other lumps out there.  These shapes have none of the attractiveness of the original.  Anyone that looks at the new one and thinks "Man, I just have to own one of those!" must have had a restricted automotive background.

But then how many Japanese cars have been able to elicit that sort of 'gotta have that' attitude?  The 240z, the Toyota 2000 GT, last generation RX-7,  original Acura NSX, and not much else.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
8/27/22 1:25 p.m.

I don't hate the way it looks.  Is it still porky?  And it's gonna sell for how much?

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
8/27/22 1:45 p.m.
jimbob_racing said:

I don't expect the car to answer this question, but maybe someone from Nissan's press group can.

How is it that tiny Mazda can clean sheet design an excellent sports car like the Miata but a big company like Nissan reuses a 20 year old chassis and even bigger Toyota has to partner with BMW to make theirs?

The Miata/MX-5 is Mazda's halo car. It sets the tone for the whole line up. Nissan's halo is the GT-R. That's where they spend their performance vehicle development money.

preach (dudeist priest)
preach (dudeist priest) GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/27/22 1:57 p.m.

In reply to wspohn :

Most cars are designed by a sphincter now. Look at how all the crossover SUVs look now.

I eat mexican and can design a better car the next morning.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
8/27/22 6:20 p.m.

In reply to jimbob_racing :

Toyota has a very long history of "design by committee." Group agreement is deeply ingrained in many Asian cultures, so when you get the lawyer, accountant, engineer, etc all in a room together, performance and design tend towards the median. Toyota recognized this as an internal issue about a decade ago, and also recognized that designing great niche sports cars just wasn't possible with their current culture.  Hence the collaboration and outsourcing. Personally I believe they could have chosen much, much, much better partners, but that's another rant entirely.

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
8/28/22 2:19 a.m.
jimbob_racing said:

How is it that tiny Mazda can clean sheet design an excellent sports car like the Miata but a big company like Nissan reuses a 20 year old chassis and even bigger Toyota has to partner with BMW to make theirs?

You forget that Mazda had to partner with Fiat to make the ND happen.

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
8/28/22 8:20 a.m.
BlueInGreen - Jon said:

Face off on track against the LS 350Z?

Throttle House ran it against a 1LE on their test track, and the 1LE was five seconds faster.  I suspect at a track like The FIRM, the LS 350Z would beat it by pretty much the same margin, maybe a little more.

Keep in mind the 1LE ran a lap of 1:11.xxx, so it's not a big test track at all, and the extra 55 horses don't come into play as much as it would at Sebring or Watkins Glen.

te72
te72 HalfDork
8/29/22 5:15 p.m.

Would Mr K approve?

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/29/22 5:49 p.m.
preach (dudeist priest) said:

$70k dealer upcharge means I have zero interest. Not that I have ever purchased a new vehicle.

How much will the 400 sell for in 2-5 years with that much of a mark up?

Z06 C8 can be added to the never column too for the same reason.

That is one dealer. 

And I'll bet you a steak dinner it was done purely for publicity. 

jr02518
jr02518 HalfDork
8/29/22 7:40 p.m.

As I understand it, all new Japanese cars will have wheel and tire combinations that cable chains will/must fit inside the stock fenders.  Given how high the cars are sitting in their factory promotional pictures, I would guess this is true. 

vwcorvette (Forum Supporter)
vwcorvette (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
8/29/22 9:13 p.m.

"It's a Datsun!" Kenny exclaimed disappointingly.

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