New From Continental (and Hoosier): A 200tw Endurance Tire

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Jun 1, 2021 | tires, Hoosier, Continental

Continental has a new 200tw tire on the way aimed at endurance use: AER, WRL, ChampCar, Lemons, SCCA Track Night in America and the like. Meet the ExtremeContact Force.

Sizes for this German-built model will range from 205/50R15 to 345/30R19 with distribution, we’re told, handled by both Tire Rack and Hoosier Tire Distributors. First tires should be available June 1, 2021.

No word on price yet, but we already have a set reserved for testing.

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Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/16/21 11:28 a.m.

What if I want to put the 205/50-15 or 225/45-15 on my NA Miata? Will that invalidate the warranty? ;)

Weird breakdown. But happy to see more performance tires in the 23" OD size, and I'm looking forward to drive reports!

79rex
79rex Reader
4/16/21 11:29 a.m.

245-15 PLZ

procainestart
procainestart Dork
4/16/21 11:33 a.m.

No 16-inch sizes - in general, has 16 become even less supported than 15 in the perf. tire world? 

dps214
dps214 HalfDork
4/16/21 11:38 a.m.
procainestart said:

No 16-inch sizes - in general, has 16 become even less supported than 15 in the perf. tire world? 

What do you mean "become"? They've never been as well supported as 15s.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
4/16/21 12:22 p.m.
dps214 said:
procainestart said:

No 16-inch sizes - in general, has 16 become even less supported than 15 in the perf. tire world? 

What do you mean "become"? They've never been as well supported as 15s.

Yeah, 16" was always the unloved middle child.

NickD
NickD MegaDork
4/16/21 12:23 p.m.

Also, I'd really like to see the performance numbers on these. The 340tw ECS can put down grip numbers that nearly equal some 200tw tires, so a 200tw Conti ought to be monstrous.

ross2004
ross2004 Reader
4/16/21 12:23 p.m.

Hopeful for two things:  that it's truly aimed at the endurance crowd and not another of the super-200tw autocross tires, and that they make a 245/15 if the first part holds true. 

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
4/16/21 12:24 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

What if I want to put the 205/50-15 or 225/45-15 on my NA Miata?

Then your fitment would be....  atypical.  

obsolete
obsolete GRM+ Memberand Reader
4/16/21 12:25 p.m.

I love all the 200TW options these days.

But, seriously, give us the 16s!

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
4/16/21 12:30 p.m.

In reply to ross2004 :

I suspect that it will have grip levels close to the super autocross rubber within the class and wear better, but won't be resistant to being heat cycled. 

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
4/16/21 12:31 p.m.

Is it me, or are all the 200TW tires starting to look the same?

 

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
4/16/21 12:36 p.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

I mean non DOT slicks always have :shrug: 

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
4/16/21 12:39 p.m.
ross2004 said:

Hopeful for two things:  that it's truly aimed at the endurance crowd and not another of the super-200tw autocross tires, and that they make a 245/15 if the first part holds true. 

This. If we can get through a crapcan endurance event only eating up a couple of sets then it'll likely be shut-up-and-take-my-money.  If it's more like 3-4 sets like the other 200tw tires then I doubt our team will want to increase the cost-per-seat that much (we're cheap Lemons bastards).  I suspect it'll be somewhere in-between.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/16/21 12:49 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Just curious, what tire is your team running now?

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
4/16/21 1:10 p.m.

In reply to bobzilla :

Not just you, I thought exactly the same thing. All the new ones look like the Bridgestone RE71R. I guess it works.

Rodan
Rodan Dork
4/16/21 1:20 p.m.

225/45-15 is a pretty  common fitment on NA Miatas.  And 245/40-15 is the new 225/45....  Hope to see it added to the list.

As far as looks, IMHO beyond a certain point, technology dictates form as we chase diminishing returns in performance.  Consider how similar many new cars' basic designs look...  

AaronT
AaronT Reader
4/16/21 1:33 p.m.

Designing to optimize against physics is going to result in a convergence of form in most applications. Have you ever seen a raindrop that didn't look like a raindrop? A raindrop can take any shape it wants and it optimizes for getting to the ground as easily as possible. It might be boring for us if everything looks the same, but speed doesn't care about our feelings.

dps214
dps214 HalfDork
4/16/21 1:36 p.m.
NickD said:

Also, I'd really like to see the performance numbers on these. The 340tw ECS can put down grip numbers that nearly equal some 200tw tires, so a 200tw Conti ought to be monstrous.

Maybe with a half inch of standing water on the ground...

These are specifically an endurance tire. Think hankook RS4 - a bit down on grip but last forever. Though considering the price tag they'd better be better in one of those two departments. Either faster for the same wear or same speed and somehow even longer lasting, or some other advantage to justify the ~20% premium.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/16/21 1:44 p.m.

245 15 please!

 

I want to see these against the rs4 and Cooper rs3r.

 

Which is fastest, and which wears the longest.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/16/21 1:48 p.m.

I'm really curious how these will compare.
I just bought a new set of Rival 1.5 for my autocross car. They're the only 200TW tire we don't have to cool between runs here in FL. 

Since Continental is aiming for the endurance racing market, I'm hoping they'll have good performance for the 200TW class of tires, and still hold up well in the heat. 

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/16/21 1:50 p.m.
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:

I'm really curious how these will compare.
I just bought a new set of Rival 1.5 for my autocross car. They're the only 200TW tire we don't have to cool between runs here in FL. 

Since Continental is aiming for the endurance racing market, I'm hoping they'll have good performance for the 200TW class of tires, and still hold up well in the heat. 

My only concern would be the tire cycling out.  The rs4 cycle out well before the tread is gone. 

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
4/16/21 1:54 p.m.
NickD said:
dps214 said:
procainestart said:

No 16-inch sizes - in general, has 16 become even less supported than 15 in the perf. tire world? 

What do you mean "become"? They've never been as well supported as 15s.

Yeah, 16" was always the unloved middle child.

Not always, there was 14".  I deeply recall when most performance tires had some 14" flavors available for GTIs and Miatas and such.  Then they disappeared to the tune of "lol 15 inch".  Now you can hardly find gravel rally tires in 14", let alone gummy 205/55-14s or 185/60-14s...

 

OTOH, I can also remember BF Goodrich selling 235/50-13 street tires.

Will
Will UltraDork
4/16/21 1:55 p.m.

Sure wish wider/taller fitments in 17" were still a thing.

Driven5
Driven5 UltraDork
4/16/21 1:58 p.m.

Too bad they're directional rather than asymmetric.

wvumtnbkr said:

I want to see these against the rs4 and Cooper rs3r.

Which is fastest, and which wears the longest.

...And which falls off the fastest with heat cycles.

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/16/21 2:08 p.m.

I also wish for a 16" option, since that is what I run on my MINI.  But one of the 225 or 245 17" options should work. At least for track or STX use, and I can keep the 16" wheels for street driving. 

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
4/16/21 2:13 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Just curious, what tire is your team running now?

Federal 595 in a 225/45 17 running on a E36 328.  I'd say we give up some cornering speed for durability and cost.  We only use 6 tires per event and get all of them mounted for $430 at a local tire shop. That also keeps us out of the paddock to change wheels.

I'd be willing to spend more per tire for something more competitive, but that's also meant using a lot more than 6 per event.  We're kind of a mid-pack team looking to have fun and keep it shiny side up so spending the extra money hasn't made sense yet.  That said, it's cool to see a company target our corner of the motorsports world. I'll definitely be interested to see what the verdict is on the new stuff.

adam525i
adam525i GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/16/21 6:23 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Just curious, have you ran the RS-4 and how did they compare to the federals cost, performance and wear?

 

I'm also in the wish there were 16" options but I'm surprised to hear so many other saying the same thing, I thought I was the only one! At some point I'll get a set of 17 x 8 or 9 inch wheels to open up my tire options, for now there is still enough options to choose from though.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/16/21 7:09 p.m.
Matt B (fs) said:
David S. Wallens said:

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Just curious, what tire is your team running now?

Federal 595 in a 225/45 17 running on a E36 328.  I'd say we give up some cornering speed for durability and cost.  We only use 6 tires per event and get all of them mounted for $430 at a local tire shop. That also keeps us out of the paddock to change wheels.

I'd be willing to spend more per tire for something more competitive, but that's also meant using a lot more than 6 per event.  We're kind of a mid-pack team looking to have fun and keep it shiny side up so spending the extra money hasn't made sense yet.  That said, it's cool to see a company target our corner of the motorsports world. I'll definitely be interested to see what the verdict is on the new stuff.

That's a lot of tire for 1 event.  I am on the same set of rs4 for the last 3 races.

 

I would be checking tire temps and finding out how to make the tires last longer.

 

Typically a higher treadwear tire will wear much quicker than a tire designed for motorsports.

 

I would definitely be going to a 245 or 255 on a 10 inch wheel and you will see greater tire life and more grip.  The investment will pay for itself in 1 season.

rslifkin
rslifkin UberDork
4/19/21 7:38 a.m.
Will said:

Sure wish wider/taller fitments in 17" were still a thing.

More 45 series sidewalls in performance tires for larger wheels would be nice.  I find myself limited in choices for the E38, even with 18s on it, just because it needs a ~27" tall tire, and that's "too big" for some of the performance tires without going to bigger wheels to use a size for a modern S6 or something like that. 

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
4/19/21 3:06 p.m.

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

You have a good point. There's a lot more we could do to manage tire wear. It's not an area we've put really any effort into besides making sure our alignment is entirely funky.  We have a track day coming up and I'll use it as test session.  The wider wheels is an interesting idea.  Right now we're using E36 M3 and E46 stock rims because I could find them, well... cheap.

That said, the guys running Azenis and such have reported back using more than 2 sets I mentioned before. For context, these tend to be A-class cars running at CMP before they repaved it.  That surface chewed up tires like crazy.  What else is crazy is you got a single set to last multiple races so you must be doing something right.  What car, tire size, and track(s) are you running?

Oh yeah - we haven't tried the RS4 yet, but you make a compelling case.

rslifkin
rslifkin UberDork
4/19/21 3:08 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

If stepping up to 18s is an option, you've got a few choices for 18x9.5 factory BMW wheels that aren't too hard to find at a reasonable price, especially if you don't mind them being a bit beat up looking. 

Sonic
Sonic UltraDork
4/19/21 10:14 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

We also run the RS4 on multiple cars and always get at least 2 races if nothing goes wrong to wreck the alignment, on cars that are top 10 contenders.  They are great for this sort of thing.  

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/20/21 5:48 a.m.
Matt B (fs) said:

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

You have a good point. There's a lot more we could do to manage tire wear. It's not an area we've put really any effort into besides making sure our alignment is entirely funky.  We have a track day coming up and I'll use it as test session.  The wider wheels is an interesting idea.  Right now we're using E36 M3 and E46 stock rims because I could find them, well... cheap.

That said, the guys running Azenis and such have reported back using more than 2 sets I mentioned before. For context, these tend to be A-class cars running at CMP before they repaved it.  That surface chewed up tires like crazy.  What else is crazy is you got a single set to last multiple races so you must be doing something right.  What car, tire size, and track(s) are you running?

Oh yeah - we haven't tried the RS4 yet, but you make a compelling case.

Gm 3500 powered 89 Mazda rx7.  245 40 15 on 15 x 10 wheels.

 

We lose grip with the rs4 before we wear them out.  They seem to only like about 3 or 4 days of racing before they start to lose a second a lap.  (Still faster than a lot of other tires!)

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
4/20/21 1:35 p.m.
They seem to only like about 3 or 4 days of racing before they start to lose a second a lap. 

I could deal with that. lol

Thanks for everyone's suggestions and eyeballs on this. After our current set is toast we'll definitely be moving to the RS4 or maybe this new Conti depending on the consensus.

In reply to rslifkinI'll definitely keep an eye out for the factory 18x9.5. They weren't really on my radar either.

As always, you guys are awesome.

rslifkin
rslifkin UberDork
4/20/21 1:45 p.m.

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Now that you confirm the 18x9.5 is an option size-wise, look for either E39 M5 rear wheels or rear M parallels from an E38 7 series or E31 8 series.  Both of the above wheels are 18x9.5.  The M5 wheels are +22mm offset, the E38 wheels are +25mm.  Avoid the rear M parallels from an E34 or E39, as they're only 18x9 (+22 and +24 offset for each model) and the E39 ones have a 74.1mm center bore instead of 72.6mm.  The M parallels are forged, so pretty strong and 23.2 lbs each for the 18x9.5 version.  Oddly, the M5 wheels are heavier (26.2 lbs for the 18x9.5) and I'm not sure if they're forged or not. 

Thinking about it, offset could be a problem on an E36 unless you hack the crap out of the fenders.  I don't know if BMW made anything that wide in a higher offset, unfortunately. 

Matt B (fs)
Matt B (fs) UltraDork
4/20/21 4:00 p.m.

In reply to rslifkin :

Yeah those offsets are going to require quite a bit of "massaging" to work with an E36.  I'm going to keep my eye out for some affordable 18x9.5 rims, but at some point just splurging for a set of the Apex ARC-8 17x9.5 +35 may be worth it.  I've always wanted an excuse to buy some of those.

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
4/20/21 4:44 p.m.

All I know is that if it had the grip of the A052 and wore like RS4 that they would've branded it as a Hoosier and named the tire "Daddy" 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/20/21 5:38 p.m.
rslifkin said:

In reply to Matt B (fs) :

Now that you confirm the 18x9.5 is an option size-wise, look for either E39 M5 rear wheels or rear M parallels from an E38 7 series or E31 8 series.  Both of the above wheels are 18x9.5.  The M5 wheels are +22mm offset, the E38 wheels are +25mm.  Avoid the rear M parallels from an E34 or E39, as they're only 18x9 (+22 and +24 offset for each model) and the E39 ones have a 74.1mm center bore instead of 72.6mm.  The M parallels are forged, so pretty strong and 23.2 lbs each for the 18x9.5 version.  Oddly, the M5 wheels are heavier (26.2 lbs for the 18x9.5) and I'm not sure if they're forged or not. 

Thinking about it, offset could be a problem on an E36 unless you hack the crap out of the fenders.  I don't know if BMW made anything that wide in a higher offset, unfortunately. 

E39 M5 rear wheels are unicorn teeth. If anyone finds a pair, let me know as I want them for my E39 M5 :) Lots of knockoffs of the fronts, but those rears are both rare and desirable which means super-expensive.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf HalfDork
4/20/21 6:09 p.m.

"distribution, we’re told, handled by both Tire Rack and Hoosier Tire Distributors"

The Hoosier Tire Distributors part seems a bit unusual 

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
4/20/21 6:29 p.m.

In reply to L5wolvesf :

They have crew and haulers for race support weekends. The SCCA is starting an Enduro series. Sponsorship involvement is likely part of the equation and includes trackside support is my guess. 

freescopesdad
freescopesdad New Reader
4/22/21 7:26 a.m.

205/50/16 for my ND Miata please...smiley

Colin Wood
Colin Wood Associate Editor
6/1/21 2:15 p.m.

Good news, the ExtremeContact Force is now available from Tire Rack and Hoosier:

Fort Mill, S.C. – June 1, 2021. Continental Tire is thrilled to announce the all-new ExtremeContact™ Force, a summer ultra-high performance competition tire for both enthusiasts and professionals.

Ideal for endurance racing, this tire comes complete with SportPlus™ Technology, which provides responsive handling, better grip on wet roads, and extended tread life.

For racers who value consistent lap times and predictability on track in both dry and wet conditions, the ExtremeContact™ Force is an optimal tire for endurance race events and track days alike.

“We are very excited to launch the ExtremeContact Force,” said Travis Roffler, Director of Marketing, Continental Tire. “This is a tire that racers around the country have been asking to see from us and the feedback we’ve received about the tire thus far is just phenomenal. We’re thrilled that people are so excited about this new tire and we’re looking forward to seeing the results that people will see on track with the grip these tires have to offer.”

“After several years of collaboration between Hoosier and Continental engineers, we have come up with an endurance competition tire like no other,” added Jeff Speer, Circuit Product Manager for Hoosier Tire. “The combination of durability, safety and wet traction technology from Continental and the speed, agility, extreme grip, and driver confidence technology from Hoosier, makes a great pairing in a true ultra-high performance street and track competition tire.”

The ExtremeContact™ Force is available at Tire Rack and Hoosier distributors. Visit hoosiertire.com to find a dealer near you.

Ian F (Forum Supporter)
Ian F (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/1/21 2:48 p.m.

In reply to Colin Wood :

Not on the Tire Rack website. frown

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/1/21 3:35 p.m.
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Colin Wood :

Not on the Tire Rack website. frown

Call them? 

BTD
BTD Reader
6/2/21 6:42 p.m.

Looks like sizing and such released today: 

 

A bit narrower than the RT660 based on those numbers, but I still ordered a set despite the (insane) price as I'm expecting the Conti's to wear better, as they're aimed at the endurance racers. Hopefully we will see a GRM test on them soon!

GCrites80s
GCrites80s HalfDork
6/3/21 10:07 a.m.

If you buy them in Indiana do they say Hoosier on them? Sounds like a joke, but I bought a car in Indiana that had Hoosier pure street tires (like 400TW, tons of void and sipes) that were just rebranded Generals. I kept one because I thought it was neat. I haven't seen anything like that since.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/3/21 11:03 a.m.

I WISH they made a 245 15.  I would buy a set right now!

OldGray320i
OldGray320i GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/3/21 3:00 p.m.

The 225s have me thinking a set of 15x9s is in the future for the Miata.  S/b more total grip than the 205 RE71s now, and last a little longer. 

And, once I get the coilovers done on the e21, the 15x8s now on the Miata will probably fit there. 

Just justifying my future purchases, you know...

captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
6/3/21 3:15 p.m.
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