New Mustang: Do we like it or not? | Discuss.

David S.
By David S. Wallens
Sep 15, 2022 | Ford, Mustang, Ford Mustang

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/14/22 8:51 p.m.

And here's the official release:

  • All-new Ford Mustang Dark Horse is the first new Mustang performance series in 21 years, featuring a sinister yet premium exterior and interior styling hinting at the best performance ever from its new 5.0-liter V8, projecting 500 horsepower 
  • Mustang Dark Horse with available Handling Package is the most track-capable 5.0-liter V8 street-legal Mustang ever, thanks to improved aerodynamics, upgraded hardware, new software and tuning with an available six-speed manual transmission
  • The arrival of Mustang Dark Horse heralds a new chapter in the storied Mustang motorsports history with the all-new Mustang Dark Horse S and Dark Horse R track-only models that are part of six new racing Mustangs coming soon

DEARBORN, Mich., Sep. 14, 2022 – With sinister looks and a specially modified 5.0-liter V8 – the most powerful 5.0-liter V8 ever, projecting 500 horsepower – Mustang Dark Horse expands the lineup and sets a new benchmark for American street and track performance that could only come in a Mustang.

A special team of Ford engineers, designers and experts worked for more than three years to create Mustang Dark Horse, a street and track-capable performance Mustang with striking visual cues and all the capability sports car lovers expect, right down to the available carbon fiber wheels from Carbon Revolution (late availability). Mustang Dark Horse is the first new performance name for the brand since Mustang Bullitt was introduced in 2001.

“For decades, Mustang has competed against the most premium brands on the greatest world stages and won,” said Jim Farley, CEO of Ford Motor Company. “We surprised everyone, and we’re going to surprise them again with a track-capable Mustang that puts a new level of performance, styling and American engineering in the hands of everyday customers who still want the thrill and excitement of a V8 sports car.”

Unique 5.0-liter V8 with Even More Athletic Performance

The foundation for Mustang Dark Horse starts with the all-new 2024 Mustang, which has been transformed with a digitally immersive cockpit, new engines and styling to make it the most exhilarating and fun-to-drive Mustang ever.

“We’ve taken the all-new Mustang, the best of our new 5.0-liter V8 performance, and added power, improved the aero, tires, steering and provided an interactive cockpit to create a Mustang that goes beyond any 5.0-liter Mustang before it,” said Ed Krenz, Ford Mustang chief nameplate engineer.

The heart of Mustang Dark Horse is its unique 5.0-liter Coyote V8 engine, specially modified with piston connecting rods first introduced in the 760-horsepower Ford Performance Mustang Shelby GT500. Mustang Dark Horse will deliver the highest level of performance in the all-new Mustang family.

Visually differentiated from any 5.0-liter V8 before it, Mustang Dark Horse includes a dual throttle-body intake design to improve engine breathing, accentuated by the open nostrils in the front grille.

Mustang Dark Horse comes standard with a unique six-speed TREMEC manual transmission that connects to the driver through a standard 3D-printed titanium shift ball. The manual also includes a special Mustang Dark Horse transmission oil cooler. Drivers also have the option to choose Ford’s advanced 10-speed automatic transmission with sport paddle shifters for fast and precise shifting – from the highway to the race circuit.

Additional powertrain enhancements were made for performance at the track. Mustang Dark Horse includes brake cooling NACA ducts, an auxiliary engine oil cooler, a rear axle cooler and a unique and lighter-weight radiator with improved cooling capability and more powerful cooling fans to improve endurance and recovery.

The Mustang Dark Horse provides unique chassis tuning, larger rear sway bars and heavy-duty front shocks. Stopping is courtesy of 19-inch Brembo front 6 piston brakes with 13.9-inch rotors. Steering response and grip is further enhanced with a new lightweight Ford Performance-designed strut tower brace and K-brace for even better handling and feedback from Mustang Dark Horse. Mustang Dark Horse puts the torque down without losing traction through a Torsen® rear differential and standard Pirelli P ZERO™ (PZ4) tires with staggered fitting wheels (19-inch-by-9.5-inch front and 19-inch-by-10-inch rear wheels).

Mustang Dark Horse offers standard MagneRide® shocks capable of monitoring wheel and tire movement 1,000 times per second, optimizing performance based on driving surface or driving mode.

For ultimate street-legal and track performance, the available Handling Package improves aerodynamics even further with the most downforce of any all-new Mustang thanks to a unique rear wing that includes an integrated Gurney Flap, similar to that of the Ford GT. The Handling Package also adds stiffer springs, larger front and rear sway bars and wider Pirelli Trofeo tires and 19-inch-by-10.5-inch front and 19-inch-by-11-inch rear wheels.

Finally, for no compromise track performance, customers can equip Mustang Dark Horse with lightweight carbon fiber wheels from Carbon Revolution (late availability). It’s the first time carbon fiber wheels have been available for a Mustang beyond Shelby® GT350® and GT500.®

Driver-Focused Immersive Digital Cockpit

The Mustang Dark Horse infuses even more performance style and functionality into the all-new seventh-generation car’s technologically advanced, driver-centric cockpit.

A thicker, flat-bottomed steering wheel wrapped in suede and finished with Bright Indigo Blue accent stitching incorporates anodized silver paddle shifters on models ordered with the 10-speed automatic transmission and a dedicated drive mode button is at thumb’s reach, allowing drivers to quickly choose the desired driving setup. This sits in front of a 12.4-inch digital instrument cluster with customizable screens including a variety of drive modes.

This digital instrument cluster flows seamlessly into a 13.2-inch SYNC® 4 center stack behind the same piece of integrated glass, angled towards the driver. Together, these screens create a fully immersive digital experience that emulates a fighter jet cockpit – but in a real-world sports car. 

Contrasting blue stitching across the door panels and seats, gear shift gaiter and center console lift the ambiance of the cabin, enhanced further by unique blue seatbelts. The Mustang Dark Horse Appearance Pack adds Deep Indigo Blue seats with a unique seat perforation, emitting further hints of blue below the surface. 

Interior trim, bezels and vents are finished in Black Alley – a dark metallic gloss replacing the familiar bright silver shades of other Mustang trim levels.

Mustang Dark Horse also comes with the latest B&O® Sound System, providing crisp audio through 12 speakers and a subwoofer.

Sophisticated and Sinister Functional Styling

Mustang Dark Horse carries the most striking visual cues of any new road-going Mustang.

“It’s more than a new name. Dark Horse brings a new design language to Mustang that is refined yet perfectly suited to its dual purpose of street and track performance,” said Joel Piaskowski, global director, Ford Design. “The visual changes, both inside and out, message that Dark Horse has a directed performance focus. The mechanical changes reinforce the purpose of Dark Horse, providing the driver with increased confidence and competence.”

At the front, a bold, shadow graphic surrounds the darkened LED headlamps, which compliments a unique, gloss black grille with trapezoidal nostrils and Mustang Dark Horse-unique lower front bumper with high gloss ‘fangs.’ Lower side skirts and, to the rear, a fixed rear wing, new race-inspired diffuser and darkened quad exhaust tips demonstrate the car’s track-focused design cues.

New Mustang Dark Horse badges were designed for this performance version of Mustang to visually separate it from other models. The badges are placed on the fenders, trunk and door sills, while a dark, anodized version of the famous pony stays on the front. Inside, unique Mustang Dark Horse badging is featured on the instrument panel and digital display screens, and each car features an individual chassis number.

“This is the first time for Mustang that we’ve ever had a forward-facing horse,” Piaskowski said. “It’s aggressive, a bit sinister and it’s coming from the shadows head-on to win.”

Unique to Mustang Dark Horse is Blue Ember metallic paint, a cool, dark shade that emits a warm glow when it catches the light, setting the tone for the car’s overall look. A choice of applied or painted feature graphics along the roof and down the hood are also available in a variety of colors and styles. The optional Appearance Package includes dark Notorious Blue Brembo brake calipers with a brighter Grabber Blue logo.

Dark Horse and the Future of Global Ford Motorsports

Ford Mustang was born to race. The introduction of Mustang Dark Horse is part of a broader launch of six new racing Mustangs that will compete globally in a variety of series, including GT3, GT4, NASCAR and NHRA Factory X racing.

Two dedicated, track-only Dark Horse Mustangs powered by 5.0-liter V8 engines will only be available for racers and non-street use. Mustang Dark Horse S is designed for the weekend track day enthusiast while Mustang Dark Horse R has been developed for racing.

“We’re taking this all-new Mustang to competition racing and the very definition of a Dark Horse is the perfect fit to introduce this vehicle to the Mustang brand,” said Mark Rushbrook, global director, Ford Performance Motorsports. “With our race program development underway, we’re confident we have the right car for success.”

Mustang Dark Horse S is built uniquely for motorsports as a stripped-down version of the street-legal Mustang Dark Horse production vehicle. All non-essential parts and trim pieces have been removed for Mustang Dark Horse S. Inside is a full FIA-certified safety cage, safety nets, a race seat with safety belts and a race steering wheel with quick disconnect. Other safety items include electrical disconnects and a fire suppression system.

Driver controls are contained within a central panel, which houses switches and knobs for the headlamps, side indicators, windshield wipers, mirror adjusters and rain light. Also included for Dark Horse S is a pit speed limiter and a data and acquisition display system. A single passenger seat is optional, allowing drivers to share their experience with others and to receive feedback from ride-along instructors.

The exterior of Mustang Dark Horse S features hood pins, front and rear tow hooks, an adjustable rear wing for added downforce and a full exhaust system to help round out the foundation for a unique and fun-to-drive track car. Mustang Dark Horse S will be painted from the factory and ready for individual vehicle liveries.

While Mustang Dark Horse S has the same wheels as the street-legal Mustang Dark Horse, the upgraded brake system provides even further robustness to meet track demands. Multimatic DSSV dampers support driver tunability in addition to the adjustable ride height and camber settings.

Mustang Dark Horse R raises the track-focused intensity, featuring all Mustang Dark Horse S content, as well as special serialization that approves it for racing. It will come standard with strategic seam welding, a fuel cell for increased range, and Ford Performance Parts wheels.

“Both Dark Horse S and R have been further enhanced for performance and stripped of almost every unneeded comfort, keeping only what is needed to provide better performance,” said Krenz.

Beyond Mustang Dark Horse S and Dark Horse R, the brand will continue to compete globally in a variety of race series, and enthusiasts will see those roll out over the next year.

Ford is returning to factory-backed GT3 racing with an all-new Mustang GT3 IMSA race car that will also be available for customers, starting with 24 Hours of Daytona in 2024. Created by Ford Performance and Multimatic, the Ford Mustang GT3, powered by a 5.4-liter Coyote-based V8 engine, will deliver the full endurance racing potential of a Ford Mustang for customers globally.

A new Mustang GT4 available for customers will also debut in the 2023 season and will be available for global GT4 classes in IMSA, SRO and FIA GT.

A new version of the Mustang will debut next season in the Australian Supercars series, and in coming years newly designed models will debut in the NASCAR Cup series and NHRA Factory X racing.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
9/14/22 8:56 p.m.

As for looks, it looks like a drunken mashup of a Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. Not sure I like it at first look. 

Jesse Ransom
Jesse Ransom GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/14/22 9:03 p.m.

I should preface all this by saying I think it looks pretty sharp overall. But...

"sinister yet premium"

I'm laughing out loud.

It does look like they were a little too worried about the apparent popularity of the Camaro's "Lookitmee! I'm aggressive as all get-out! I'm a baaaaaad boy!" thing... Making the lights ever-squintier... Your car cannot be peak-era Clint Eastwood.

Moreover, the ad copy is worse than the styling issues. It sounds like someone tried to explain that appeal to an executive android.
"It's badass! It's super gnarly!"
"I see... Processing... Processing... 'sinister'. But we must also convey its salable attributes. 'Sophisticated and sinister functional styling.' Processing complete."

That said, again, there's a lot there I think looks really good.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/14/22 9:13 p.m.

I think I like it

Andy Neuman
Andy Neuman SuperDork
9/14/22 9:20 p.m.

I feel like it's the same but different.
 

Not a big fan of the screen for the instruments. Maybe if ford dealers go back to offering 10k off MSRP I'll consider one in a few years. 

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UltraDork
9/14/22 9:42 p.m.

There's going to be factory backed GT3 Mustang racecars? Sweet.

I think "Dark Horse" is a dumb name, but this is the company that gave us the "Probe" and "Escort" so it could have been worse :P The marketing verbiage makes me lol. It's a Mustang; we all know what it is. No need to try to sell it as something new and edgy... Mustang pun not intended.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/14/22 9:46 p.m.

Rear looks too much like the S550.  Front has a lot of Audi with a pinch of anime.  Doesn't shout American to me, it's a bit derivative.  I was hoping for more.  

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
9/14/22 9:47 p.m.

I dig it.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/22 9:48 p.m.

Certainly looks like an evolution of the S550, which is not a bad thing. I like what they did with the back half of the car, but the front end is very squared-off and almost Camaro-ish. Not sure about it. I'm also not a huge fan of all the screens inside, either. 

Overall, looks-wise, it's fine I guess. If I already had an S550, I wouldn't be running to my dealer to make a deposit, in any case.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/14/22 9:51 p.m.

I like.

Except that hideous cluster. Looks like a wall. 

j_tso
j_tso HalfDork
9/14/22 10:00 p.m.

The GT3 got my attention. Imagine this thing taking on the C8 and F296.

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
9/14/22 10:03 p.m.

I threw up a little bit with the Marketing BS term "driver focused." Wow, so good to know that it's not like all those other cars that focus on passengers...

Ugh, I made the mistake of reading a bit further... "infused"... really? I swear that writers have a checklist of trendy terms they're required to use.

Just let the car do the talking.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
9/14/22 10:05 p.m.

I'm not sure.  Do we know what we want?

 

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UltraDork
9/14/22 10:09 p.m.

In reply to kb58 :

Sometimes I feel like marketing prose is a result of, "Shoot, we're paying these marketing people a bunch of money, better think of something for them to do." Hehe

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/14/22 10:33 p.m.

I've found with any new car that I really need to see it in person, usually a few times before I know.  The Supra renderings and initial photos looked pretty bad to me but they I saw a yellow one in person.  

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
9/14/22 10:37 p.m.

Does the Mustang Shelby continue or does this Dark Horse replace it?  I ask because the Dark Horse offers a few things stated to have been only previously offered on the Shelby.  Is it just the replacement name?  

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
9/14/22 10:39 p.m.
John Welsh said:

Does the Mustang Shelby continue or does this Dark Horse replace it?  I ask because the Dark Horse offers a few things stated to have been only previously offered on the Shelby.  Is it just the replacement name?  

I thought the same thing and wondered "Why the berkeley do you keep changing the name of the top level performance Mustang?"

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
9/14/22 10:40 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

Maybe they change it so they don't have to pay the man with the hat.  

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
9/14/22 11:49 p.m.

What a painfully cringe worthy release... And despite using the term with dizzying frequency, I still don't even know WTF a "dark horse" actually is! Is it just a series of additional trims to the current mustang? Is it a new mustang chassis code replacing the current one? Is it a new "mustang" family member that will be sold along side the current mustang(s)?

Whatever it is, I don't appear to be in the target demographic.

dps214
dps214 Dork
9/15/22 12:22 a.m.

Dark horse is a dumb name and some styling choices are questionable, but above all else it seems like mostly just "another mustang" not really anything special to it. Stupidly named trim seems to be basically a mashup of current mach 1 and gt350 trims.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/15/22 2:43 a.m.

The interior looks very 2010 Camaro, and not on a good way at all. Exterior just looks dumb. 

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
9/15/22 2:51 a.m.

Blah, blah, blah, no.

I've tried to be a mustang fan for years. I've owned a few... but I liked my Fairmont better in nearly every way.

Edit- a good friend of mine summed it up best: it's a love child of a Camaro and charger having back door relations.

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/15/22 6:35 a.m.

No.

I owned a S550 and while it was fast and handled well, it was huge and weighed 4000 lbs.  They have gotten too big and too heavy.

While i now own a 2008 GT that I adore and hope to own until death parts us, the next new car I'm going to order is a C8.

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) PowerDork
9/15/22 6:38 a.m.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

I've found with any new car that I really need to see it in person, usually a few times before I know.  The Supra renderings and initial photos looked pretty bad to me but they I saw a yellow one in person.  

This.  I want to see one in person.  From photos, I'm kind of meh about it.  Not terrible, but not great either.  Too many styling cues from other competitors, giving it a "me too" look.  I'd prefer it stand out on its' own.  However, I'll reserve final judgement until I see one.

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
9/15/22 6:49 a.m.

Tough crowd here. The marketing prose in the press release sounds like Guy Fieri wrote it, but otherwise I think it looks awesome. Yes they are playing to the backwards hat crowd, but nobody gives Dodge grief over the Hellcat Demon Redeye Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Signature Edition Superblasted Challenger, how is this worse?  They know their audience. What a time to be alive... you can buy a bespoke track weapon with 500hp and custom suspension, aero, cooling, etc. right from the Ford dealer's lot. For Mustang prices. 

ddavidv
ddavidv UltimaDork
9/15/22 7:07 a.m.

I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. It's just a tweaking of the current S550 which I also feel the same about. Too much Camaro added to it, a car that is pretty much a styling disaster.

Dark Horse, blah blah blah. Sounds like something Harley or Indian would call a bike with matte black paint on everything. I'll never afford one, so really don't care. Tell me about the more pedestrian models I could potentially afford.

Big azz screen in the dash like Tesla and Audi. Meh.

It weighs too much, which is why it needs 500 hp to be exciting. Think I'll keep my S197.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
9/15/22 7:35 a.m.

The styling is...fine. I think I prefer the current body style, but we'll wait to see it in person.

The hardware included in the Dark Horse package seems pretty appealing. Although I'm hoping the 19s could be replaced by 18s.

Captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/15/22 7:52 a.m.

I loathe it.

 

It looks like they wanted to go cyberpunk, but didn't have the fortitude to commit to it and kept some softer styling cues leading to a disjointed mess that lacks direction. 

Put me down in the "another generation of mustang that I wish the drivetrain was available in another platform that wasn't an F-150" camp. 

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
9/15/22 9:27 a.m.

As always, I want the car to be smaller like my 1965 Mustang. But I don't dislike it at first glance.

AMiataCalledSteve
AMiataCalledSteve Reader
9/15/22 9:36 a.m.

Before this morning I had no idea a new mustang was imminent. But based on the pics it looks pretty cool, I bet it will look very nice in the flesh. I'll reserve judgment until then I suppose

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
9/15/22 9:41 a.m.

In reply to AMiataCalledSteve :

But is it a new Mustang?  Or, is it a mid-model-run "refresh?"  I suspect it is the same floor pan and same roof panel and the change is the typical new front/rear bumper and lights as well as style line changes/creases to the side panels.  

2022:

2023:

I'm not "hating" on the car.  I'm just more calling out the marketing hype.  But, I'm glad to see investment given to keeping the Mustang fresh.  

spacecadet (Forum Supporter)
spacecadet (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/15/22 9:49 a.m.

I'm a fan of what looks to be the base model.


I like the grille and i think the car looks good without a rear tack on wing.

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 9:55 a.m.

I like it! 

The front end kind of reminds me of an Audi R8. I like analog dashes in old cars and digital dashes in new cars. Remember people hated digital dashes in old cars when they were new but now we find them cool in those same old cars for nostalgic reasons. Cant please everyone. Also, it's still ICE ya'll should be happy about that.

I remember when the new Supra was released, I liked it and pretty much everyone hated it and picked it apart. It seems people like it now. 

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT as a collective car enthusiast community. 

Danny Shields (Forum Supporter)
Danny Shields (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/15/22 9:55 a.m.

I like it. When anyone spots one coming down the road for the first time, they will know it is the new Mustang, just like each new generation of Porsche 911, or Corvette. 

500 hp? Wow! I used to think my '85 Mustang GT 5.0 was hilariously overpowered with 210 hp. 

Rusnak_322
Rusnak_322 Dork
9/15/22 10:07 a.m.

In reply to Danny Shields (Forum Supporter) :

I still think that the C8 is a Italian car when I first see it on the road. 

The new mustang looks so similar to the current one other than the head and tail lights. Also looks a lot like  a Dodge in the one shot from above. 

 

 

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 10:09 a.m.

I always disliked the frontend on the current gen Mustang. Especially headlights.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
9/15/22 10:11 a.m.

Looks are hit & miss, mostly miss. Dark horse this, dark horse that, tell me about the base GT. Will that "target 500hp?"  Given that they'll likely stretch this production cycle out, there's a decent chance at seeing incentives in 5-6 years...500hp for $30k would be real, real compelling

alfadriver
alfadriver GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/15/22 10:11 a.m.
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I loathe it.

 

It looks like they wanted to go cyberpunk, but didn't have the fortitude to commit to it and kept some softer styling cues leading to a disjointed mess that lacks direction. 

Put me down in the "another generation of mustang that I wish the drivetrain was available in another platform that wasn't an F-150" camp. 

FWIW, if not for the V8 being in the F150, the Mustang would not have a V8. Even so,  the take rate for F150 v8s is low enough to make it really tough to justify it. 

Will
Will UberDork
9/15/22 10:33 a.m.

It looks so much like the current car I genuinely can't tell if it's just a refresh or an all-new car.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 10:41 a.m.
yupididit said:

The front end kind of reminds me of an Audi R8. I like analog dashes in old cars and digital dashes in new cars. Remember people hated digital dashes in old cars when they were new but now we find them cool in those same old cars for nostalgic reasons. Cant please everyone. Also, it's still ICE ya'll should be happy about that.

If you're referring to the digital dashes of the 80s, those were always crap. But, the lens of nostalgia makes them more appealing in a "quirk of the era" kind of way. Not because we now think they are good.

I don't think anyone is unhappy that they are still making an ICE pony car. But we can still criticize the styling and marketing.

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 10:46 a.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

Exactly. They were crap and eventually people found them cool for some reason lol. I think some digital dashes are well done. It really depends on the UI/UX for me.

Ranger50
Ranger50 MegaDork
9/15/22 10:51 a.m.
alfadriver said:
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I loathe it.

 

It looks like they wanted to go cyberpunk, but didn't have the fortitude to commit to it and kept some softer styling cues leading to a disjointed mess that lacks direction. 

Put me down in the "another generation of mustang that I wish the drivetrain was available in another platform that wasn't an F-150" camp. 

FWIW, if not for the V8 being in the F150, the Mustang would not have a V8. Even so,  the take rate for F150 v8s is low enough to make it really tough to justify it. 

Because the 3.5 is optional. Optional means MSRP $, which gives dealers extra $. And dealers don't give out there exclusively limited ordering slots either. They pretty much get what ford gives them to sell.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter)
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
9/15/22 10:54 a.m.

I like it.

Not enough to trade my S550 off for one.

But if I was in the market.

Captdownshift (Forum Supporter)
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/15/22 11:15 a.m.

In reply to alfadriver :

Oh I'm a fan of the V8 being available in the F150, I just don't have a need for a 1/2 ton truck. If Ford followed the lead of someone else and tossed it into a mid engine platform (though without going full GT spec on size and price) they'd sell about 12 of them, but it'd be awesome. 

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
9/15/22 11:20 a.m.

Can't say it interests me at all but that is the same story of pretty much every Mustang.

gearheadE30
gearheadE30 Dork
9/15/22 11:25 a.m.

The styling of the front is an improvement. I like the current gen rear end better, the new version the taillights look like they are awkwardly high, and I preferred the old horizontal trunk line with the black filler between the lights. The angles in the new one make the trunk opening bigger...but also makes the back look really tall.

I know it's because of the pedestrian impact regs, but I hate how much of a "hump" the hood has in it at the front.

Flynlow (FS)
Flynlow (FS) Dork
9/15/22 11:33 a.m.
ddavidv said:

Too much Camaro added to it, a car that is pretty much a styling disaster.

This was my first thought too.  The Camaro has been 3rd place behind the Mustang and Challenger in the pony car wars, I don't know why you'd look to it for inspiration about what to do right.

That being said, Ford (and GM actually) have been crushing it on interior improvements (two tones, contrast stitching, suede options, etc.).  The Bronco's interior on the fancier trim levels is downright impressive, and it looks like some of that continues here.  The glaring touchscreen jumping out of the dash at you is just state of the market, unfortunately. 

Jesse Ransom
Jesse Ransom GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/15/22 11:42 a.m.

I really like this part:

And I mean that, and not just as an insult to the rest of the car. I don't like how attempted-aggressive the lights have gotten, much of the rest of the shape is fine, the grill is okay, but I really, really like the crisp cutoff and simple, almost-not-a-compound-curve hood.

RacetruckRon
RacetruckRon GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/15/22 11:43 a.m.

I think it's a pretty sharp looking car.  It looks a lot like an S550 mashed up with 2006 Guigairo concept especially in the trunk "pocket" and the low sloping hood line.

rustomatic
rustomatic HalfDork
9/15/22 11:46 a.m.

Oh, this:  "3D-printed titanium shift ball."  How could it not be "sinister?"

Teh E36 M3
Teh E36 M3 UltraDork
9/15/22 11:57 a.m.

It's been  said but I keep thinking we have already seen the last best internal combustion cars before electric just destroys everything... then this. Wow. 

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/15/22 12:21 p.m.

It looks like something went wrong with the forum earlier. I made another post, hit post, then GRM froze up. When I could get back to GRM 15 minutes later and never posted. Oh well. Anyway, I'm here at the auto show. Unfortunately it is more disappointing in person than even the pictures. Very Camaro at the rear, I still think it's too Audi, square, boring at the front. 
 

and the boring derivative design language is really highlighted when this current Shelby looks so good just a few feet away.

 

IKR
IKR New Reader
9/15/22 12:28 p.m.

Stupid ad copy, it's not for me, but I'm not mad at the car itself especially in what's touted as the last days of ICEs. I still see the mustang lineage and from what I can see not bad looking.  

SupraFiend
SupraFiend New Reader
9/15/22 12:33 p.m.

I think the new era mustang has become like the 911. Ever since the first (immensely popular) retro model, the early 2000s one, they've only made small iterations on the design of the previous gen. Its become very difficult to tell generations apart of the cars made in the last 25 years, as has always been with 911s. It looks good, but its hardly a daring redesign. Oh well, at least they didn't convert it to mid engine lol.

yupididit
yupididit GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 12:42 p.m.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) :

It looks even better in your pics to me. Maybe I need to see it in person to really get an idea. But, your pics made me like it even more lol.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 12:50 p.m.

Now that I've had some time to process it, I guess my conclusion is that it's still a pretty good-looking car, just not as good as it's predecessor. But given my status as a true-blue Ford guy, and the fact that it's going to be the only game in town as far as V8 ponycars in a year or two, I still like it overall. I wouldn't be shocked if one shows up in my garage some day.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
9/15/22 12:57 p.m.
RacetruckRon said:

It looks a lot like an S550 mashed up with 2006 Guigairo concept especially in the trunk "pocket" and the low sloping hood line.

 

Good call! One nice touch that I like about the new one is the single body line that forms the leading edge of the hood, then passes over the top of the headlight, skips the front wheel arch, and then picks back up through the fender and door. Now I see where they got that inspiration from!

The rear haunches are pretty similar too.

Error404
Error404 HalfDork
9/15/22 1:05 p.m.

It's an ICE car so I am forum-obligated to love it and have nothing bad to say about how it looks like the aftermath of a drunken tryst between a Mustang and Camaro while the Mach-eww hollered in commentary. I love the weight savings of moving climate control to a touchscreen, one more thing for a driver to stare at when they plow through those pedestrians will add much needed variety. I also love how it answers my never asked question: what would happen if you took the official clay model and just pinched the rear for grins. Now we know and it's everything that I didn't want to see. The only information missing is the all important 0-60 time, I need to know how far the pedestrians will be punted. 

300zxfreak
300zxfreak Reader
9/15/22 1:14 p.m.

In reply to z31maniac :

If it's anything like the last gen, it will look a LOT better in person than it does in photos. Did not like the last gen at all until I saw it on the road, changed my mind completely.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/15/22 1:22 p.m.

OK, it looks better in red but still not in love with it. I do like the delicate side mirror on the close up of the rear panel and rear lights though.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
9/15/22 1:35 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:

I do like the delicate side mirror on the close up of the rear panel and rear lights though.

That looks the same as the current side view mirror to me:

2021 Ford Mustang Ecoboost Review: The 6 Speed Manual Version - GTspirit

I'd be very surprised if any of the window glass, roof, etc were different between this and last year's Mustang. It seems like a heavy refresh rather than all new.

BillKeksz
BillKeksz New Reader
9/15/22 1:37 p.m.

It doesn't look like a fish anymore, so that's a plus.

It just needs to be 7/8 of what it is.

logdog (Forum Supporter)
logdog (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UberDork
9/15/22 1:42 p.m.

Once again Ford has chosen to ignore the desire of the masses by making these fake "Mustangs" that lack the key feature everybody wants.  The styling cue that defines luxury and performance.... the landau roof!

 

 

 

 

Karl55
Karl55
9/15/22 1:43 p.m.

Do we get a track test with this and the electric SUV of the same name?

 

fatallightning
fatallightning HalfDork
9/15/22 1:50 p.m.

The styling changes kind of seem like, well, we have to change something. Not necessarily better or worse, just different. I at least applaud carrying the V8/stick package on for at least another gen as others retreat from the marketplace.

Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter)
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
9/15/22 2:05 p.m.

In reply to STM317 :

That's hilarious I didn't realize they are the same mirror. 

RacetruckRon
RacetruckRon GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/15/22 2:10 p.m.
rustomatic said:

Oh, this:  "3D-printed titanium shift ball."  How could it not be "sinister?"

I missed that in the initial read but all of the pictures I can find just look like a standard Mustang shift knob.  I'm hoping they do some cool geometry that can only be made via 3D printing and it doesn't just turn out to be marketeering. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
9/15/22 2:15 p.m.

Maybe its just my mind but this scene looks like it will go XXX quickly.  Is guy #1 feeling her up?  Guy #3 gives the creepy touch?  Your guess what guy #2 is doing at that very moment.  They make quite the gang!  

Different advertising from a different time.  

albino09
albino09 New Reader
9/15/22 2:18 p.m.

All this discussion and not one mention of the ability to change the dash display to mimic a late Fox mustang cluster. This might be the best feature of the whole bunch that definitely needs replication at other OEMs.

 

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/15/22 2:29 p.m.
albino09 said:

All this discussion and not one mention of the ability to change the dash display to mimic a late Fox mustang cluster. This might be the best feature of the whole bunch that definitely needs replication at other OEMs.

I do like that particular Easter Egg. But I feel it necessary to point out that it's missing the oil pressure and voltage gauges that the Foxes had. Not sure why, it's a screen, they could put literally anything on it.

j_tso
j_tso HalfDork
9/15/22 4:26 p.m.

Have we discussed the Cars&Coffee potential of the Drift Stick™ ?

Between that and the remote rev it could be fun or a horror show.

mblommel
mblommel Dork
9/15/22 5:01 p.m.
Loweguy5 said:

No.

I owned a S550 and while it was fast and handled well, it was huge and weighed 4000 lbs.  They have gotten too big and too heavy.

Exactly. S550 onwards is 11/10th scale. No thanks.

Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito UltimaDork
9/15/22 5:41 p.m.

I think I like it? Sorta? Maybe? 

So, there's things I like and things I don't like:

Like:
-More performance
-More tech
-The paint on that Dark Horse model is NICE
-You can give it "Fox Body gauges" 
-The fact that it still exists as a car that you can go and buy

Dislike:
-The interior looks kinda weird (might take some getting used to)
-HVAC is controlled by the stupid touch screen
-Pointless "drift brake" handle thing and electronic parking brakes (sure to be a hit with the cruise night crowdkillers)
-No more Ecoboost with a manual trans
-Remote revving... just WHY???
-That cringe-tastic press release

It feels more like a refresh than an all new model, because basically, that's what this is. It's kinda like how the 1979 and the 1987 GT's are part of the same generation; these should be as well. And it's got awful big shoes to fill, as the current Mustang is fantastic all-around, top to bottom. I look forward to checking one out in person. 

 

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
9/15/22 8:22 p.m.
z31maniac said:

As for looks, it looks like a drunken mashup of a Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger. Not sure I like it at first look. 

I saw a picture of the Mustang online today, showed my wife and said "Looks like a Charger"-she agreed. Not an insult, just an observation

alfadriver
alfadriver GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/15/22 8:28 p.m.
Ranger50 said:
alfadriver said:
Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:

I loathe it.

 

It looks like they wanted to go cyberpunk, but didn't have the fortitude to commit to it and kept some softer styling cues leading to a disjointed mess that lacks direction. 

Put me down in the "another generation of mustang that I wish the drivetrain was available in another platform that wasn't an F-150" camp. 

FWIW, if not for the V8 being in the F150, the Mustang would not have a V8. Even so,  the take rate for F150 v8s is low enough to make it really tough to justify it. 

Because the 3.5 is optional. Optional means MSRP $, which gives dealers extra $. And dealers don't give out there exclusively limited ordering slots either. They pretty much get what ford gives them to sell.

Back in 2011, I really expected the v6 to be a minor player, but the customers really did choose the turbo for some reason. 

Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter)
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
9/15/22 8:32 p.m.

From what I've seen of the styling I like it. Will need to see it in person to confirm for sure.

The interior is typical digital disaster, hello distracted driving! 

Whats this I'm hearing about no manual transmission for the 4 cly? Stupid if true.  Also disappointed that the V6 is still absent.

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/15/22 10:12 p.m.

I don't dislike the looks, but it seems a bit like one of those reproduction muscle cars like the Equis that blends all the styles from different cars. A dash too much Camaro? I bet it will be fine in real life. 

msterbeau
msterbeau New Reader
9/16/22 1:18 p.m.

F**k the giant screen for displays.  It looks awful and that's way more digital controls than I want to deal with - or that's safe.  

Exterior design - the middle is fine but I don't like the front and back of the car.

All the track and motorsports options is pretty damn cool.  I wish other manufacturers would do that. 

Panhandler
Panhandler GRM+ Memberand New Reader
9/16/22 3:45 p.m.

Wait... It's not electric and it has a manual 6 speed? What's not to like?

Schrodingerscat
Schrodingerscat
9/16/22 4:10 p.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

We want a V8 Mustang that weighs 3500 lbs!

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/16/22 5:12 p.m.

Aesthetically, they screwed the pooch IMO. Functionally it shows promise. 

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/16/22 5:18 p.m.

i dig it, mostly.  my biggest complaint, as with most modern cars, is touchscreens.  they don't belong in the front seat.

Noddaz
Noddaz GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/16/22 5:22 p.m.

Is this a reference to the Godfather?  wink

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/16/22 10:17 p.m.

All I can think of is the Katy Perry song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSOMA3QBU0

 

Other than that, it looks like a pretty basic refresh. The basic shape hasn't really changed since it went retro in '02-everything after that has been an evolution. 

secretariata (Forum Supporter)
secretariata (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
9/17/22 2:05 a.m.

I've not been paying a lot of attention to the pony car offerings and thus thought the next Mustang was the EV SUV, so this caught me off guard.  The picture of the green one posted by Adrian Thompson looks pretty good, other photos look questionable at best.  "Mustang Dark Horse comes standard with a unique six-speed TREMEC manual transmission..." Has Ford ever solved their manual transmission problems?  It seems that every V8 Mustang from around 2000 forward with a Tremec has had issues with the manual transmissions.

michaeldeng
michaeldeng New Reader
9/17/22 2:41 a.m.

This gen's nite pony into next gen's dark horse, Ford is loving their pokemon evolutions. That drift handle is wack. Otherwise, lookin' good! Just sad there won't be a Camaro to compete.

BenB
BenB HalfDork
9/17/22 2:23 p.m.

The Sierra/Escort Cosworth rear wing on the GT3 is fugly!

slantvaliant (Forum Supporter)
slantvaliant (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
9/17/22 11:30 p.m.
Noddaz said:

Is this a reference to the Godfather?  wink

I see something else.

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