Part Subaru 360, part Le Mans Prototype, 100 percent winner | $2000 Challenge Results

I must have missed something because I don't understand the classes.

Is there a class list to decipher all the acronyms?  

$ equals >$2000?

N - Narrow tire.  Under 225 I believe?

W - 235-285 tire, I think

U - everything above 285 (or whatever the cutoff for W was)

$ - under $2000

Bit of a hairy moment at the beginning of Auto-x where nocones had a rod-end decide to be a rod-float, but he got it replaced and I don't think there were any other significant issues the rest of the weekend.

Results are now live:

https://2000challenge.com/results

And you can see a class breakdown at the top of the rules here:

https://2000challenge.com/rules

In reply to Tom Suddard :

Thank you!

In reply to dean1484 :

the 3rd paragraph?

DaleCarter said:

In reply to dean1484 :

the 3rd paragraph?

Was not there when Dean posted. 

In reply to Mr_Asa :

That is correct. I updated the item earlier this morning that better explains the classes.

Spectated the Autocross Saturday with my younger son, had a great time. Needed to be in Bradenton that evening, so I missed the drag racing. Hope to be there with a car or truck next year. Congratulations to the winners: with the level of enthusiasm I saw that may well be every one who was there!

I know I'm still being dense...

How come all the classes are called "Great Tire..."?

One day your car is hanging from the ceiling, the next it is winning a prestigious motorsports event.

In reply to SV reX :

Sorry, but there's no deeper meaning. Those are the class names. 

In reply to SV reX :

Good tires, but certainly not great tires, Sv reX mused while lighting a cigarette. 

Suggested new class:

E36 M3ty Tire Unlimited (STU): For cars equipped with those little emergency spare tires.

Or how about skinny tires, but more than 4, in some kind of dually configuration? Like the old Auto Union Type C hill climb cars?

In reply to gzuckier :

If STU exists next year I really, really want to compete in it.  That's brilliant.

Nocones and the LMP360 were the dynamic duo!   WOW!

But, let's not forget a lot of folks had a great time in efforts that probably took less hours and accounting skills.

I'm using the Ryals in the '05 GTI Hogtown Special, or the Ortengrens in the Litty Kitties Taurus, and the Weavers in the Proteus Bois Audi TT as examples.   These are all folks that from all appearances had a blast, involved the family, and did it under $2k.  They are examples to many of us that you don't have to be a wiz designer/fabricator to attend this great event and create a lifetime of memories.

gzuckier said:

Suggested new class:

E36 M3ty Tire Unlimited (STU): For cars equipped with those little emergency spare tires.

 

Or how about skinny tires, but more than 4, in some kind of dually configuration? Like the old Auto Union Type C hill climb cars?

That sounds like STN

STU sounds more like >285's that are 700tw or higher, to me?

What happened to all the guys pulling zero concours points?  Some venerable Challenge competitors in there.

In reply to Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) :

That Taurus was dummy fast, and it ran great at the FIRM. Just proves the age old speed strategy of buying police interceptors at auction is more valid now than ever.

In reply to maschinenbau :

It probably helped the drag time to have AWD. That track was not as grippy as normal. I know we struggled with traction with only ~300HP and really wide tires (315)

Congrats, Dan!

Jerry From LA said:

What happened to all the guys pulling zero concours points?  Some venerable Challenge competitors in there.

You're likely seeing the over budget cars - they're not involved in the concours. 

Just realized there was no award for Most Spectacular Failure"?

Also, no GRM magazine project cars?

In reply to maschinenbau :

I saw the garage rescue Miata at the cars and coffee but was bummed that I didn't see the Z.

Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) said:

Nocones and the LMP360 were the dynamic duo!   WOW!

But, let's not forget a lot of folks had a great time in efforts that probably took less hours and accounting skills.

I'm using the Ryals in the '05 GTI Hogtown Special, or the Ortengrens in the Litty Kitties Taurus, and the Weavers in the Proteus Bois Audi TT as examples.   These are all folks that from all appearances had a blast, involved the family, and did it under $2k.  They are examples to many of us that you don't have to be a wiz designer/fabricator to attend this great event and create a lifetime of memories.

We had a great time and our GTI ran incredibly well. I was shocked at just how well it did in the autocross. 2nd in GTN$ and 7th out of all the budget competitors! It struggled in the drags though - too much HP with not enough traction. Still managed 3rd in GTN$ though.

In reply to maschinenbau :

Yeah, David brought out his Miata project car, but I had to leave the LFX Miata at home because I keep breaking parts. It would have been great to get the 350Z out there, but with so much going on and fewer staff than we'd originally planned on having, I wanted to focus on making the event run smoothly instead of on making my car fast. 

In reply to dyintorace :

What PSI we're you running in the front tires at the drags? Try airing down to 24psi or even 22 next time to help with wheel hop and lowering 60ft times. 

Glad to hear you killed it on the autocross, imo, that's the fun part. 

In reply to Captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :

We started at 30 and worked our way down to ~24 over maybe a dozen passes. My best 60' was 2.4. There were a few things that made a good pass difficult:

• Launch at higher RPMs and just spin the tires. Launch at lower RPMs and wait for boost to build. 
• The tune the car came with seems to have a low fuel cut - like ~5500 RPMs low. I never could time it right to shift from 1-2 and then 2-3 without running into the cut

In reply to maschinenbau :

I second the dummy fast part.  Went off course at The Firm doing trying to go from 100 to 30 in about 75' without ABS or traction control.  Got the only black flag of the day.  That was a great time.  BTW I looked online at Copart auctions and found a quite a few interceptors and challenger police cars with really low bid prices...   

maschinenbau said:

Just realized there was no award for Most Spectacular Failure"?

Also, no GRM magazine project cars?

Also missing "longest drive" and "spirit of the event" awards I think, but the new award structure I did like overall. 

I was bummed not to see the grm projects run, but it sounds like 20 entrants or so joined in the last 2 weeks before the event so I think grm staff was already maxed out just working the event. 

rich911s said:

In reply to maschinenbau :

  BTW I looked online at Copart auctions and found a quite a few interceptors and challenger police cars with really low bid prices...   

These are things I do not need to read...

Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

maschinenbau said:

Just realized there was no award for Most Spectacular Failure"?

Also, no GRM magazine project cars?

Also missing "longest drive" and "spirit of the event" awards I think, but the new award structure I did like overall. 

That's a real shame, those extra awards are probably my favorite part other than seeing the well-earned top trophies.

Sad I missed it, had to pull out the week before. I like being able to compare and contrast the tire classes and over/under budget performances. The posted results let me do some bench racing and the outcome was pretty good. My car would have been competitive for trophies in both the autocross and the drags, assuming I didn't break anything of course. . .

Congrats to everyone who competed.  I look forward to hearing the background stories on this year's cars.