Project Endurance Miata: Trading a Turbo for a V6, but Do We Install a Honda J35 or a GM LFX?

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Update by Tom Suddard to the Mazda Miata project car
Jan 16, 2020

Endurance racing is hard. Doing it on a budget is even harder. Doing both while shooting for a podium finish? That’s nearly impossible, as we proved with our Miata. 

After years of development, three turbos, four engines, and roughly a dozen depressing drives home from the track with a broken car on the trailer, we found success with our junkyard turbo setup: We finished second in class at ChampCar Daytona! 

Then, well, we moved on. After all, we’re looking for good stories, not necessarily a good race car. 

Once we’d sorted the car, reformed our team and earned a podium finish, we couldn’t just write boring stories about by-the-book races. We had two choices: Continue developing the car or get rid of it, and we didn’t want to do either. So we parked it. 

After diverting our attention to our extremely budget-oriented Volkswagen Fox endurance racing car for a year or so, we turned our attention back to the Miata. Did we still like it? Absolutely. Did we think it could be faster, and produce a good story along the way? Definitely. 

We pulled the Miata out of storage with new goals: Kick it up a notch, move away from low-buck racing, and go really fast. We’d trade 500-point ChampCar and 24 Hours of Lemons legality for a fighting chance at competitive AER or WRL showings, and use our VW Fox for the low-buck racing we still loved.

With our biggest limitation, the budget, removed, we grabbed a blank sheet of paper and started planning. What would our Miata look like in a perfect world? What were our pain points before? What would it need to beat on track?

After much deliberation, we came up with these goals: 

  1. A less-stressed drivetrain. Sure, our Miata was fairly quick with a turbo, making nearly 200 horsepower, but it wasn’t repeatable. Every single race, even our podium finish, surfaced new problems, with everything pointing back to one issue: the turbo. We managed to keep things together for an entire race, but the car fought us the entire time and required parts that weren’t in stock at every AutoZone. And we never did solve our car’s cooling issues, which consistently pushed water temperatures near 230 degrees. Yes, it worked. But it clearly couldn’t work forever. We wanted Miata 3.0 to be naturally aspirated, and built with easily sourced, under-stressed parts.
  2. 100 more horsepower. Ok, fine–we’re racers, and we always want more power. But at both Road Atlanta and Daytona, every driver reached a unanimous agreement: If we could just make 100 more horsepower, pushing the total near 300, this car would be unbeatable. 
  3. Better fuel mileage. We’d managed to push our Miata’s stints to nearly 1.5 hours long, but we were still stopping too often to refuel thanks to that turbo. We needed to squeeze as much fuel mileage as possible out of the car in order to stay competitive. 
  4. Proper suspension. Yes: Our low-buck, ChampCar-legal setup worked well, but it wasn’t adjustable, and we never did get the cut springs stiff enough for our liking. Add in wider tires–which we’d need if we were going to add 100 horsepower–and it was obvious that we needed to buy some real parts in this department. 

Goals in hand, we started making calls and putting feelers out to our fellow friends and racers in the industry. Gradually a path emerged, with more and more arrows pointing to one answer: It was time for a V6 swap. The promise was simple: Two more cylinders, roughly the same weight (the Miata’s iron-block four-cylinder is traded for an all-aluminum V6) and nearly 300 horsepower. It would split the difference between our turbo four and a heavy, overpowered LS swap, and meet our goals perfectly.

There was one last question: Which all-aluminum, 300-horsepower V6? That’s right: There’re are two popular V6 swap kits on the market for early Miatas, and both use a commonly available all-aluminum V6. 
The first, from Minitec, uses the Honda J series V6, which is the engine platform found in most of Honda and Acura’s sedan and SUV lineup. Minitec’s kit is designed around the 3.5-liter 2001-’03 Acura CL Type S or 2002-’04 Honda Odyssey engine, and includes the following parts. Retail price is $3950.

  • Front Subframe to adapt Honda J engine into Miata (retains Miata front anti-roll bar)
  • Transmission adaptor from Honda J to Miata transmission
  • Custom aluminum oil pan with pickup
  • Poly engine mounts
  • Flywheel adaptor
  • Aluminum thermostat housing
  • Starter
  • Exhaust manifold and downpipe
  • Clutch kit with flywheel
  • *Available for an additional $715: ECU and wiring harness.

The second kit, from V8 Roadsters, uses the GM LFX engine, a direct-injected 3.6-liter V6 found in most modern GM products fitted with a V6, including the Camaro and Cadillac CTS. V8 Roadsters recommends using a 2012-’15 Camaro engine for their swaps. Retail price is $7995, and their kit includes the following:

  • Front subframe
  • LFX mounting kit for NB steering rack
  • Stage 1 Getrag drive line kit for MV5 or MV7
  • LFX stand-alone wiring harness
  • LFX down pipes
  • LFX fuel kit
  • LFX shifter assembly
  • LFX cooling system–radiator for stock fans and pressure bottle with cap
  • LFX clutch kit
  • LFX power steering kit for NB rack
  • LFX reroute for heater core lines
  • Frame rail reinforcements
  • *Available at additional cost: Power steering, A/C, ABS pump bracket, etc. 

Facts in hand, we decided to use the V8 Roadsters kit. Why? First and foremost, it used the entire Camaro driveline, replacing the relatively fragile Miata transmission and differential with parts from the V6 donor and significantly increasing the durability of the driveline.

The Minitec kit, in contrast, keeps the Miata transmission and differential. Put simply, we just didn’t see those Miata parts lasting behind 300 horsepower in an endurance racing setting. 

There were other reasons, too: The V8 Roadsters kit was far more complete, basically including 90% of what we’d need to get the car running. The Minitec kit, in contrast, would require us to figure out our own cooling system, power steering and fuel system. 

And we were curious about the LFX, as it seems like an engine with great potential that just hasn’t gotten much love in the enthusiast world. Shoutout to Ryan at Good-Win Racing here, too, since his stupid-fast LFX-powered HyperMiata inspired us greatly.

Decision made, we ordered the V8 Roadsters swap kit, then called a local salvage yard and ordered a Camaro engine and transmission, as well as a limited-slip differential from a Cadillac CTS. The salvage yard parts totaled just less than $1500, while the V8 Roadsters kit we ordered retails for $7995.

No longer a $500 race car, we found ourselves sitting in the shop with our trusty Miata on the lift and nearly $10,000 worth of parts next to it. After some serious ups and downs in its career, it was time for our Miata to receive engine number five. We’ll cover that in the next update.

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Comments
mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
1/14/20 3:33 p.m.

My ears just perked up. Listening intently. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/20 3:35 p.m.

There's also the Rocketeer kit with the Jaguar V6, FYI. I'm not sure if it's available in the US at the moment but it's pretty nicely done.

Ransom
Ransom GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
1/14/20 3:41 p.m.

Awesome! Very much interested in anything about rehoming LFXen...

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard GRM+ Memberand Director of Marketing & Digital Assets
1/14/20 4:15 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

You're not wrong, but it's not really possible to buy it yet. 

https://www.rocketeerltd.com/how-to-buy

Rodan
Rodan Dork
1/14/20 4:19 p.m.
Keith Tanner said:

There's also the Rocketeer kit with the Jaguar V6, FYI. I'm not sure if it's available in the US at the moment but it's pretty nicely done.

There was just some traffic on Miata.net that Rocketeer has discontinued kits as of 1/2020, and will only be building turnkey cars.  As far as I know, there is no US turnkey builder.

Rodan
Rodan Dork
1/14/20 4:22 p.m.

LFX is probably the best choice for racing.

It would be worth your while to spend lots of time picking Ryan's brain... wink

Having followed the Hypermiata closely for several years, his results have been amazing, and he probably has more knowledge than anyone about making an LFX/Miata work on the track.

I'll be watching your progress with just as much interest!

NickD
NickD PowerDork
1/14/20 5:14 p.m.

Too many years as a GM tech makes me nervous around LFXs.

mrhappy
mrhappy Dork
1/14/20 5:16 p.m.

I really like this but I with it fit under the stock hood.

Dusterbd13-michael
Dusterbd13-michael MegaDork
1/14/20 5:22 p.m.

You coulda done a 3400 for challenge money....

The lfx has a good 120 horse on it though. And swapping the differential makes a huge improvement. 

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/14/20 5:29 p.m.
Tom Suddard said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

You're not wrong, but it's not really possible to buy it yet. 

https://www.rocketeerltd.com/how-to-buy

It was available, but the US distributor shut down. There is not currently a US one. 

Rocketeer would bring the DIY kits back online with the right partner, I believe.

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