Can our E46 M3 run with a new Hyundai Elantra N?

David S.
Update by David S. Wallens to the BMW M3 project car
May 28, 2024 | BMW, FIRM, BMW M3, M3, BimmerWorld, E46 M3, E46, Track Car, Track Test, Florida International Rally & Motorsport Park, BMW E46 M3

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Building a street car that can theoretically survive a track day is one thing, but what does the data actually say? Does the car quickly become a hot mess or does it remain composed?

The E46-chassis BMW M3 came from the factory with all sorts of neat bits–big brakes, limited-slip diff, …

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
8/9/23 8:43 a.m.

And how do we feel that we’re now comparing an M3 to the Elantra N?

Discuss.

Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/9/23 8:56 a.m.

This was a great article! 

Some thoughts:

- I'd love to see JG do more of these comparisons between cars that you guys run at The Firm. Old vs new, fwd vs awd vs rwd, doesnt matter, I think they are fun and show how good new cars are right out of the box. 

- Is there an article where you guys discuss what you guys use for data acq/telemetry? How did you measure the oil temp, and such. 

Again, I really liked this article. Good job!

CrustyRedXpress
CrustyRedXpress GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/9/23 9:48 a.m.

Awesome article and writing. 

Maybe your preference just depends on how you feel about the BMW throwing codes after the run. It wouldn't bother me at all, but I'm a tech and not a driver. For somebody just focused on the driving aspect i could see it turning into a hassle.

bobzilla
bobzilla MegaDork
8/9/23 10:10 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

And how do we feel that we’re now comparing an M3 to the Elantra N?

Discuss.

I think we all know how I feel about it. 

goingnowherefast
goingnowherefast GRM+ Memberand Reader
8/9/23 11:28 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

And how do we feel that we’re now comparing an M3 to the Elantra N?

Discuss.

Considering I race an Elantra N specifically against E46 M3's in SCCA TTT3 and Gridlife Street, I feel pretty good about it :)

Put the Elantra N on 255's just like the M3 (18x9.5 ET45 fits 255's easy with no modifications or fuss) and see what it does..

BS99
BS99 New Reader
8/9/23 1:33 p.m.

I thought you had it backwards; the title should have read:

Can our new Hyundai Elantra N run with an E46 M3?

I'm surprised it was so close!

 

 

 

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/9/23 2:06 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

And how do we feel that we’re now comparing an M3 to the Elantra N?

Discuss.

Considering the original E46 M3 was released in 2000, meaning it was designed in the 90s.........not surprised really.

ShiftLess
ShiftLess New Reader
8/9/23 2:08 p.m.

There were two Elantra N cars at a recent HPDE I attended...

Seems like a reasonable choice to lease, run hard and walk away from for about a $35K car... (I think).

But that would perhaps be too rational...

nocones
nocones GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/9/23 2:09 p.m.

I think I'm pleased that these laptimes are similar to what I ran in the MG at the post challenge track day..  

Good update.  I struggle thinking a ~2000 MY car is old.  But here we are. 

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand UberDork
8/9/23 2:31 p.m.
David S. Wallens said:

And how do we feel that we’re now comparing an M3 to the Elantra N?

Discuss.

Lol, I was thinking "wow, what a world we're living in" the whole time I was reading the article. It's insane how fast and good cars have gotten. 

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